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Thread: the firespray
Gawzeera
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:30 am
#27
I like the fact that its a ship for all 3 profs. its a bit like the AV speeder of space.
in roleplaying terms it could be that KSE have sold the design to all 3 factions as a test to see if they like what it can do and if it works out in the role assigned to it by that faction then they could place a huge order and KSE would become rich and powerful.
imps could be using it as covert strike craft, rebs could use it for the same purpose and then imps could use it to attack hutts and other nuet factions so that they think it was the rebs that attacked them and that way the have an unspokenally against the rebs.
pls leave this ship as an all master ship. I wasgonna do neutral pilot as i'm neutral in ground game but when i discovered i could use it as a reb i signed up as reb pilot cause they have the kewlest looking ships.
Volth-the-Hunter
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:40 am
#28
"and for the guy who posted that manueverability is only tied ot engines you're wrong. when you drop your engine in watch the p/y/r stats fluctuate. heavy bomber type chasis have a huge effect on engine handling and top speed.
might wanna like know stuff before you post."
Beat me to it 
This is a silly argument if you ask me. No reason to be neutral? You get more ships and you get the YT-1300. Seem like pretty good reasons to me... And if you want to get technical <puts on his Star Wars geek hat 
biwan: > the Firespray was built by Kuat Systems Engineering which is a subsidiary of Kuat Drive Yards which build Imperial Star Destroyers and as a corporation are very pro-Empire, so if you go by that then the Empire should have exclusive access to the Firespray. How about we just keep it as is so everyone has a chance tofly it? I like that there's at least one craft that isn't faction specific.
biwan: > the Firespray was built by Kuat Systems Engineering which is a subsidiary of Kuat Drive Yards which build Imperial Star Destroyers and as a corporation are very pro-Empire, so if you go by that then the Empire should have exclusive access to the Firespray. How about we just keep it as is so everyone has a chance tofly it? I like that there's at least one craft that isn't faction specific.
Coran_Sienar
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:55 am
#29
I'm a Rebel pilot. The Privateers really got shafted on this one. The Firespray should have been balanced with the Tie Aggressor/B-Wing and made Privateer only. The Privateer ships have got the worst mass ratings out of each class of ship, but don't have the agility or speed to compensate for it. As an example, the Y-Wing Longprobe is a Tier 2 ship for the Rebels and mine has 170K mass. The Privateers need some love from the devs, bad.
Flynn_Nomad
Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:58 am
#30
yahweh666 wrote:
Dunkanbay wrote:
I know the firespray is a Law enforcement ship but it would add a little space content for the BHs.
2 bounter hunters has used it, why not more?
Ok go get novice BH and fly it, nothing is stoping you.
BH get no perks in space so I fail to see the reason it should be BH only.
Well, yahweh666,
If the firespray were BH only...that would be the BH perk in space, get it?
Massadonious
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:00 am
#31
Volth-the-Hunter wrote:
the Firespray was built by Kuat Systems Engineering which is a subsidiary of Kuat Drive Yards which build Imperial Star Destroyers and as a corporation are very pro-Empire, so if you go by that then the Empire should have exclusive access to the Firespray. How about we just keep it as is so everyone has a chance tofly it? I like that there's at least one craft that isn't faction specific.
Very nice.
Oh, and I /agree with your last sentence too.
Flynn_Nomad
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:00 am
#32
XFS0701 wrote:
If anyone's ever taken the time to look at the Privateer ships...the tier 3 one that's on par with the Kimogila is crap. The Kihraxz is two steps back. The Dunelizard weighs in at just under 30k or 40kmass (when remembering right...), has 2 weapon mounts and an ordnance mount...and that's at tier 2. The Kimogila at tier 3 weighs in at just under 70k mass and has 3 weapon mounts and an ordnance mount....The Kihraxz, which is also a tier 3 ship, has 1 weapon mount and 1 ordnance mount and weighs in at around 25k mass...I think. So, yes, it can mount higher-powered equipment than the Dunelizard since it's only got 1 blaster slot...but you get half the blaster loadout. Huh???
Now, if speed and maneuverability were tied in some ways to the chassis, then the fact that the Kihraxz is a super-fast assault fighter would help negate the negligable loadout...but since maneuverability is tied ONLY to engines, I can drop my engines with a top speed of 90.8 and give my Kimogila a max velocity of around 900...as well as having three sets of blasters. Or I can put that engine in my Kihraxz, have it go just under 900 yet only have one blaster...
The drawback of having a 2-blaster fighter at tier 2 is that we don't get any MP ships until Master. There are times when I'd gladly have traded my Dunelizard for a Y-Wing simply because if you get a turret gunner, you can fly in a straight line and the turret gunner can pick off enemies as they line up on your tail.
Filled with useful information, so...
What's your point?
(I'd hate to see someone take so much time to type something and not get the point across)
ZeeEmperials
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:09 am
#33
I agree that it's a good idea to have one ship, that's a loot schematic, and is for all 3 factions. HOWEVER, I don't think it should be at the expense of an entire piloting proffesion. Make the Firespray privateer and craftable, make upa neat ship(they ARE good at that) and make THAT a loot schematic for a master ship that all 3 factions can use.
As it is, you already see it all over the place. TheRSF at least has plenty of them at theirdisposal, and ready to get blown up and replaced.
Or, I guess, just give privateer a new ship at master.
Message Edited by ZeeEmperials on 11-02-2004 10:10 AM
yahweh666
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:12 am
#34
Flynn_Nomad wrote:
yahweh666 wrote:
Dunkanbay wrote:I know the firespray is a Law enforcement ship but it would add a little space content for the BHs.2 bounter hunters has used it, why not more?
Ok go get novice BH and fly it, nothing is stoping you.
BH get no perks in space so I fail to see the reason it should be BH only.Well, yahweh666,
If the firespray were BH only...that would be the BH perk in space, get it?
To bad there is no BH ship, any ship can be a BH ship get it.
If you give BH a ship, then everyone is going to want a ship.
Jedi will want there Jedi starfighter, smugglers will want the YT-1300.
I_Win24
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:15 am
#35
anyone who says privteers get one less ship then us imps.. well we get 3 of the exact same ship untill we hit tier3.
yahweh666
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:17 am
#36
I_Win24 wrote:anyone who says privteers get one less ship then us imps.. well we get 3 of the exact same ship untill we hit tier3.
And tech the interceptor at tier 3 is just a tie with alittle more mass.
ZeeEmperials
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:17 am
#37
I_Win24 wrote:
anyone who says privteers get one less ship then us imps.. well we get 3 of the exact same ship untill we hit tier3.
That's not the point, you're comparing gutter trash with gutter trash. No one is going to use those ships at master, and that's the whole point, to get to master. And the fact of the matter is, privateers have no good fighter crafts for that point.
Coran_Sienar
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:35 am
#38
I'll still be using my A-Wing when I'm a Master. A single Firespray (mighty as it is) will be no match for a ship that's more maneuverable than it is assuming equal pilot abilities.
Anything flying by itself without turrets is nothing but an easy kill for Tie Interceptors, A-Wings and...well...maybe not Privateer ships since they have such low mass.
Message Edited by Coran_Sienar on 11-02-2004 06:36 AM
Glzmo
Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:48 am
#39
I say ditch the mass system altogether. Ships are limited by their maneuverability/acceleration and number of components they can be fitted with anyway.
Also, only high level pilots can use high level components anyway, soabandoning the mass systemwouldn't cause huge problems in that respect either.
That wayhigh level pilotswill have access to all ships and be quite competitive (in PVE, at least)instead of having to resort to only the higher level ships because of the mass advantage. I am all for variety and the current system only forces everybody into certain ships, which will make others rare as the disadvantage of say a Z-95 Headhunter or a Scykis too much because of the mass limits to be really considered as an option for master pilots.