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Thread: Clearly PvP was no challenge
Slarus wrote:
and as most of us have responded... we AGREE. we wanted the mission out of kessel as much as you did
And you'll likely get Kessel back as a PvP zone, but the Devs did the easiest thing they could to address the problems they felt warrented this change.
i doubt we will ever see kessel as a pvp zone again. If they push this change through, it shows that they want to take the easy way out on the situation and they will, instead of changing it back, offer different incentives for deep space. Once the change is made, they will no doubt keep it that way. No where have they said this was a temporary change.
Actually... when you can SOLO any PVE content... it means that PvE offers no challenge. We never have said that we have never ran into someone while soloing something. Quite the opposite. I see people in kessel more and more. can i still solo a gunboat? of course. will i break off and fight someone if they attack? yes? if i live... i go back to soloing the gunbat.
But PvEers didnt complain about being too challenged or not challenged enough, they complained about being forced into a PvP zone to do a skill mission, PvPers made the claim PvP made Kessel challenging, yet that doesn;t seem to be the case as folks solo stuff in a PvP zone.
I repeat PvEers didnt complain about being too challenged or not challenged enough, they complained about being forced into a PvP zone to do a skill mission, PvPers made the claim PvP made Kessel challenging
who are these "pvpers" you speak of? i am an active poster on these boards and i have noticed in these threads that most pvpers agree... take the mission out of kessel. or give you an option to master the profession another way.
We have already said to take it out. the only people who said keep it in kessel are either the elusive "griefer" or someone who believes that the master title means something.
Fewer people who identified themselves as PvPers said take it out then said keep it in. Most PvPers said it was a challenge and should stay in, Master is rare. Not all said this but most did in fact advocate that the only change should be Damage reduction on PvP, they did not seem concerned that PvEers were forced to PvP.
you are listening to the minority. most pvpers want the mission out. we don't want to force anyone to do anything and we actually would prefer it if it were out simply because we don't have to listen to your cries if you get killed. few people get a "kick" from griefing someone, and the people that do are in the minority.
BLAM!! you are a moron who can't see past the nose on his face to realize that I AGREE WITH YOU. I don't want people to go into kessel to master their profession. i don't want anyone to be forced to pvp. i want my 2 pvp zones and you people who don't want to pvp can have the other 8. that is all. i want at least one zone to feel like star wars. Kessel was that zone, space pirates, rebels, imperials, smugglers it had everything needed for space. now it is on the same level of difficulty as dathomir and dantooine and the pvpers are forced to retreat to deep space.
Thanks for the insult I love you too. Sure take master out of Kessel, it will likely happen, this is a temporary thing as is. I want Kessel to be PvP, but SOE said other wise and I was told to suck it up and accept PvP, now the same can be said for Kessel being PvE. What does it mean to "feel" like Star Wars? Oh yes this is an opinion, I "Feel" JTL is Star Wars even with the upcoming changes, but then again feeling is in the eye of the beholder. PvPers aren't forced to retreat, go Overt and PvP EVERYWHERE. I am passing on to my guild to keep PvPing in Kessel, and when the change occurs declare and keep going to Kessel. Those who want PvP will find each other there as alot fo folks are doing just that, but what I think it is that PvPers are afraid of is that they will truly see how few people like PvP, by the very few who will declare and PvP and go to deep space.
The insult was a trade for the one you dealt. This is not a temporary change. this is permanent. kessel was a free for all. that is what space should be in star wars. there is a chance of griefing involved, so they limited it to 2 zones. one which could be accessed at any time but was home to high level NPCs, and the other that was master only. You now have 2 options: go overt and hope that someone else that is near your level bothered to do the same. or get master and go to deep space. pvp was alive and well in kessel. i had about 5 fights in a 2 hour period last night... all against people that were there for the sole purpose of pvp... and all but one were beneath master.
FYI Kessel was always easier for me then Dathomir, I never ran into a single player who attacked me and I made killer XP, but Dathomir was tougher, so from a purely PvE stand point I found Dathomir tougher, so I guess difficulty too is in the eye of the beholder.
good for you. /gives cookie. both were the same difficulty for me since they both implied the same tactics and AI. incidentally, for someone who has never met someone else in kessel... what are you complaining about? and if you hate pvp... why do you bother going into the zone? i mean, aside from the master mission, wouldn't you just not go there?