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Thread: What are the new changes to Kessel, and where can I find a dev post about it?
ReconSOC
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:05 am
#14
Fact is you people haven't even tried it yet. You're wrong about it being too hard, it isn't. Rebels are rebels, NPC or PC, either way they should die in that zone. Hell I think they should make every zone a PVP zone just to make it as dangerous as it should be. I shouldn't be able to fly next to a PC Xwing with no danger.
Cutedge
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:09 am
#15
ReconSOC wrote:
Fact is you people haven't even tried it yet. You're wrong about it being too hard, it isn't. Rebels are rebels, NPC or PC, either way they should die in that zone. Hell I think they should make every zone a PVP zone just to make it as dangerous as it should be. I shouldn't be able to fly next to a PC Xwing with no danger.
What are you talking about?
I tried the master mission with someone else. It wasn't my master mission, I was there for assistance. You think I'm making this up?
I was in Kessel last night. I saw a player firespray. It killed me. 
Aside from that, no one was there. I was up for some pvp in my awing because i had gotten a better blaster.
meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:10 am
#16
hey here's another question for you selfish pricks out there. you say "go pvp in a dedicated pvp zone like deep space"
i'm gated from mastering pilot at 4/4/4/4 mission 4, due to a bug.
there's no content left for me that's not able to be solo'd in an interceptor. where's my dedicated pvp area? gone on tuesday. it's funny how you talk about griefing and griefers when people like you cried and cried until you got your way, which had no accomodation whatsoever for people who opposed it. then you come on here and gloat? who's the griefer now?
i'm gated from mastering pilot at 4/4/4/4 mission 4, due to a bug.
there's no content left for me that's not able to be solo'd in an interceptor. where's my dedicated pvp area? gone on tuesday. it's funny how you talk about griefing and griefers when people like you cried and cried until you got your way, which had no accomodation whatsoever for people who opposed it. then you come on here and gloat? who's the griefer now?
Cutedge
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:11 am
#17
meeuki wrote:
another ignorant generalization. i never camped. i never killed a single person doing their mission. got any more?
and spare me the "i'm just asking questions" there's 100 threads here talking about it. it seems an a lot like gloating. especially when you follow up with "good, i'm glad" followed by an uninformed generalization.
By the way, here's some history on load killing:
* in beta, there was load killing when people were pvp-on
* because of this, a timer was added where it set you to not-pvp while loading
* kessel is forced pvp
* however, kessel is not the same as pvp-on. This is evident by the fact you dont' get fp there if you're not declared, even though you are up for grabs in pvp
* therefore, kessel didn't get the load timer, because in all other cases of loading, you didn't have to worry because you weren't pvp
* this is fixed in the patch on testcenter. it should hit live on thursday
Your 4/4/4/4 mission bug is also being fixed, by the way.
Message Edited by Cutedge on 11-10-2004 12:12 PM
SanRa_Ledav
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:12 am
#18
Hey meek,
I don't know who peed in your fruit loops this morning, but I suggest switching to decaf,
beacause, well... I care.
I'm glad to see the master mission no longer forcing players into PVP. Period.
Do I feel for the players who live for PVP? Yeah, I do.
Just beacause *YOU* don't greif doesn't mean it was not happening.
I'd love to see a new planet accessable only from space, that is PVP-Only,
and the space sector around it is PVP only.
While I may personally not like to spend 100% of my time in PVP, I certainly don't want PVP ruined,
and actually can think of dozens of ways to heat up the GCW.
By the way, If we are going to teach each other lessons, let me teach you something about MMO's.
"The squeakiest wheel gets the grease"
I don't know who peed in your fruit loops this morning, but I suggest switching to decaf,
beacause, well... I care.
I'm glad to see the master mission no longer forcing players into PVP. Period.
Do I feel for the players who live for PVP? Yeah, I do.
Just beacause *YOU* don't greif doesn't mean it was not happening.
I'd love to see a new planet accessable only from space, that is PVP-Only,
and the space sector around it is PVP only.
While I may personally not like to spend 100% of my time in PVP, I certainly don't want PVP ruined,
and actually can think of dozens of ways to heat up the GCW.
By the way, If we are going to teach each other lessons, let me teach you something about MMO's.
"The squeakiest wheel gets the grease"
meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:19 am
#19
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Hey meek,
I don't know who peed in your fruit loops this morning, but I suggest switching to decaf,
beacause, well... I care.
I'm glad to see the master mission no longer forcing players into PVP. Period.
Do I feel for the players who live for PVP? Yeah, I do.
Just beacause *YOU* don't greif doesn't mean it was not happening.
I'd love to see a new planet accessable only from space, that is PVP-Only,
and the space sector around it is PVP only.
While I may personally not like to spend 100% of my time in PVP, I certainly don't want PVP ruined,
and actually can think of dozens of ways to heat up the GCW.
By the way, If we are going to teach each other lessons, let me teach you something about MMO's.
"The squeakiest wheel gets the grease"
again, just because it was happening doesn't mean the only people there were griefing. you were the one who started the generalizations and it's a common trend.
by the way, this post is a markedly different stance than simply saying "good, the devs listen, screw griefers." you asked who pissed in my fruit loops, hate to break it to you, but you and barb did. i care about pvp and i want the GCW to become great, it chaps my ass when someone comes on and supports a stupid change to a game dynamic (not talking about the mission here, just the zone) and gloats about the purported victory to people concerned about it.
especially when the only reason they do that is due to their own narrow view, which i'm not necissarily saying you have, considering this followup post explaining, but i will go so far as to say barb-wire has. her post reeks of being entirely uninformed and completely uninterested in the playstyle of a group, to the detriment of the game as a whole. so yeah, i'm going to bite back.
SanRa_Ledav
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:24 am
#20
Can't blame you if you feel stongly about it.
Just don't have an aneurism over a video game. :-)
SOE Needs all the subscribers it can get.
Just don't have an aneurism over a video game. :-)
SOE Needs all the subscribers it can get.
Slarus
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:29 am
#21
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
To the vast majority of players that hate or are minimal PvPers. These boards do not reflect a true sample of the subscribers, the Devs have CSR tracking and other data mining that shows alot of complaints. I know of 10 people who went the CSR route and complained but NEVER post here. We simply dont have all the infor here, but having worked in this environment I know the difference between these boards and the actual consumer base.
meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:31 am
#22
i'm not flipping out, i just heavily color my opinions and respond forcefully to dissmissive bullsh*t like barb's post. rationality can rarely compensate for outright ignorance.
meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:39 am
#23
Slarus wrote:
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?To the vast majority of players that hate or are minimal PvPers. These boards do not reflect a true sample of the subscribers, the Devs have CSR tracking and other data mining that shows alot of complaints. I know of 10 people who went the CSR route and complained but NEVER post here. We simply dont have all the infor here, but having worked in this environment I know the difference between these boards and the actual consumer base.
good to know you have access to the true numbers and can speak for what the vast majority prefer. where would we be without your (and every other "vast majority" poster in the know) insight?
as long as we are going to just spout off generalizations, allow me to entertain mine.
PVP is not practiced by the "vast majority" in this game because it has no point, because it is obtuse, because it's prone to exploitation. not because players abhor conflict vs breathing opponents. to correct this fundamental flaw, and stimulate a true galactic civil war, from which this entire game is based, a few things need to happen. PVP needs to be made easier, and players need a subtle push off the ledge into the pool. the master mission was designed with that in mind. it was a good dynamic, and a true challenge that computer AI cannot come close to replicating. now, i agree wholeheartedly when people say that they shouldn't be prevented from advancing due to griefing at spawn points. i appreciate players who truely have no desire to pvp but want to fly the multiplayer ships.
however, that doesn't warrant their concerns immediately overruling others. what it warrants is a look at the master mission and a redesign of the certifications. it warrants a look at fixing the spawn points. it warrants a look at modifying requirements for deep space and perhaps damage reduction.
the game needs things like this to help players have fun. it needs the entire playerbase to participate so real parity can be achieved. you'll never get that if a select group of people pvp. since this is a generalization, i'm going to go ahead and say every player wants this, but doesn't even know it.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:53 am
#24
meeuki wrote:
Slarus wrote:
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
To the vast majority of players that hate or are minimal PvPers. These boards do not reflect a true sample of the subscribers, the Devs have CSR tracking and other data mining that shows alot of complaints. I know of 10 people who went the CSR route and complained but NEVER post here. We simply dont have all the infor here, but having worked in this environment I know the difference between these boards and the actual consumer base.
good to know you have access to the true numbers and can speak for what the vast majority prefer. where would we be without your (and every other "vast majority" poster in the know) insight?
PVP needs to be made easier, and players need a subtle push off the ledge into the pool. the master mission was designed with that in mind. it was a good dynamic, and a true challenge that computer AI cannot come close to replicating.
Oh, careful, Slarus is going to ask for your "proof" and design papers stating that was what the master mission was designed for.
meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:18 pm
#25
truewildman wrote:
meeuki wrote:
Slarus wrote:
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?To the vast majority of players that hate or are minimal PvPers. These boards do not reflect a true sample of the subscribers, the Devs have CSR tracking and other data mining that shows alot of complaints. I know of 10 people who went the CSR route and complained but NEVER post here. We simply dont have all the infor here, but having worked in this environment I know the difference between these boards and the actual consumer base.
good to know you have access to the true numbers and can speak for what the vast majority prefer. where would we be without your (and every other "vast majority" poster in the know) insight?
PVP needs to be made easier, and players need a subtle push off the ledge into the pool. the master mission was designed with that in mind. it was a good dynamic, and a true challenge that computer AI cannot come close to replicating.Oh, careful, Slarus is going to ask for your "proof" and design papers stating that was what the master mission was designed for.
what, you mean he doesn't have them already? =p
Trystim
Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:25 pm
#26
The main point here is that the 'elitist' pvp'ers are angry that they can no longer
load kill PvE players while they are getting to their master mission with one or
two shots. After reading the counter-point posts to the new kessel changes,
I've noticed that alot of the people that are upset want EVERYONE to have to
PVP. This is wrong.
The problem that was going on is that so called righteous pvp'ers were
gating people from mastering their pilot profession claiming that 'ace' was
supposed to be rare although the dev's NEVER said that. Actually, with pilot
being made a 'basic' profession, it would appear that it was intended to
be as common as a medic, scout, artisan, marksman, or entertainer.
You must understand and VALUE that not everyone wants to PVP AT ALL!
That is the main point to grasp here. You cannot force other players to
pvp with you. And why don't they? Just look at the amount of grieving,
boasting, trash talking, and cheating that has went on with PVP.
You claim it's about the GCW. You yourselves have molded the GCW
into a gang riddled and ego boosted turf conflict. In wars soliders take
prisoners, they occupy territories, they organize battle plans. You don't
need the devs to code this for you. If both sides got together and
agreed that rebels should act one way and imperials should act one
way then you would be able to pvp in a more interesting manner
for everyone involved. However, you have not done this. Your motto
if it's 'red it's dead', Kill Kill Kill, Kill anyone of the opposing faction,
no matter what the circumstances. You've done this continuously
like murderous blood crazed serial killers, NOT LIKE SOLIDERS.
You're problem is that you want to somehow 'win' the game. Which
on-going MMO's there's really no 'winner'. You are now angry that
you can't force every player into your ruined world of chaos.
You yourselves have ruined PVP on your own doing. The gank
squads, trash talking, and grieving tactics ruined that part of
the game for everyone. The numbers of people that wanted to
pvp started to decline because of these things. Then when
JTL launched, you saw a new opportunity. To be able to
pvp with anyone that was trying to master pilot, even if they didn't
want to pvp at ALL. You said, well, if you want to master pilot, you'd
better pvp. The devs never said pilot was a pvp-only profession.
Whether you want it to be or not, it isn't so. You said we whined
and cried about something that WASN'T fair to players that didn't
want to pvp. You sited nonsense reasoning like I stated above.
Now that the devs have chosen to make it fair for PVE players.
You are crying and whining more than anyone.
You are trying anything you can to get the dev's to change their
mind. You're evil and selfish. Plain and simple. No wonder you
like to portray yourselves as nothing but player murderers.
You want to stand on top of everyone and boast how you have
'pwned' the entire playerbase with your elite game playing skills.
It's not right and you know it. You want to be the one's who
judge what's challanging and what isn't. You want to be the
ones who judges what's fun and what isn't. What gives you anymore
right than the next player to say what's fun or challenging?
This entire game was based on consentual pvp plain and simple.
If you can't handle that, then move on to another game where
pvp is welcomed by all.
Until then, declare overt and pvp with the people that want to
pvp. As for the neutral that wanted to declare overt. Doesn't that
defeat the purpose of being 'nuetral'. Heck, you just wanted to be able
to kill everyone. No worries about faction or some war with opposing
sides, you just wanted to be able to kill any player that looked at you
cross-eyed. Honestly, that way of thinking is somewhat frightening
andperhaps you might want to seek some real life help for that.
If you chose neutral knowing how the dev's have described
neutral then that's your own fault. Not our's not the devs.
Moral of the post: The kessel area was being used for grieving
and gating other players. The devs saw the problem and have
started a plan of action. You don't like it and of course you
wouldn't, you have proven time and time again, that you get a
personal thrill out of killing and defeating other players regardless
if they want to pvp or not. When faced with the people that
actually want to pvp, you become disorganized and find yourselves
without other players to go against because you boasted, talked
trashed, camped or grieved to much. That's you're own fault.
Message Edited by Trystim on 11-10-2004 11:48 AM