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stageonebrian wrote:Plus PVP in kessel was lame anyways... I could attack my own group members because we were all privateer, not to mention the hate tells you got for killing anyone anyways.
you don't think you'll get hate tells for attacking people killing the star destroyer or rebel base? wrong. you will and mark my words, you will see people complain about content becoming unavailable to them if this trend continues.
Arcurium wrote:
Calling a jackass a jackass is not bigotry. Saying that all people of a certain group are jackasses IS bigotry.
Example.
A group of guys is hanging out around Kessel ganking people at spawn points. You call them a jackass, that ISNT bigotry. That is a statement of fact. THEY ARE JACKASSES.
Now, if those guys were Imperial characters, or played by 14 year olds. If you saidthat ALL Imperial players, or ALL 14 year olds were jackasses WOULD be bigotry. The zen state of jackass is spread pretty evenly throughout all races, creeds, ages, ethnic, and social backgrounds. Even the nicest of people can at times be quite annoying. The problem is, there are a small few who make being a jackass the foundation of their personality.
Please, before you start typing, perhaps you should grab a dictionary and get a proper definition of some of the words you are using.
Be warned, some of the words might be very long, and you may very well have to look THOSE words up also.
,Veusheesras Teacas
Thanks for restating my point. Umm...yeah...thanks....
meeuki wrote:
i'm furious and i have never killed someone doing a mission there.
i'm furious and i've never killed someone loading there.
hey, way to generalize though. let me try. people who whine about pvp in kessel are idiots. oops, see how generalizing works?
No one is saying you have or ever are likely to unfortunately not everyone has your sense of honour and fair play and they have been doing these actions. It is a small minority of pvp players who have done this and it has ended up affecting the majority of decent pvp players who for them these actions aren't anything they want to be associated with and it has led to Kessel changing to pve.
I know some may be blaming pvpers as a whole I am not one of them as i know it's a small minority blackening the name of the decent pvpers.
To answer your other reply to me early we told the devs constantly in the beta that we wanted the master mission moved out of Kessel as we could see issues with the pve mission being in the pvp zone. Unfortunately it's taken the game to hit live and more people to have issue with this for a change to happen.
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Message Edited by ScReemB on 11-10-2004 06:50 AM
ScReemB wrote:
meeuki wrote:
i'm furious and i have never killed someone doing a mission there.
i'm furious and i've never killed someone loading there.
hey, way to generalize though. let me try. people who whine about pvp in kessel are idiots. oops, see how generalizing works?
No one is saying you have or ever are likely to unfortunately not everyone has your sense of honour and fair play and they have been doing these actions. It is a small minority of pvp players who have done this and it has ended up affecting the majority of decent pvp players who for them these actions aren't anything they want to be associated with and it has led to Kessel changing to pve.
I know some may be blaming pvpers as a whole I am not one of them as i know it's a small minority blackening the name of the decent pvpers.
To answer your other reply to me early we told the devs constantly in the beta that we wanted the master mission moved out of Kessel as we could see issues with the pve mission being in the pvp zone. Unfortunately it's taken the game to hit live and more people to have issue with this for a change to happen.
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Message Edited by ScReemB on 11-10-2004 06:50 AM
Aaaannnnnd basing a decision on the minority doesn't raise any flags to you?
ScReemB wrote:
The other reasons are
- Camping of hyperspace point into kessel and killing people before they can fully load in
- The damage balance in pvp being so silly that it has become instagib in space and it isn't down to the skill of the player but who has the fastest ship and biggest gun
- Even when players change ship name to master-mission-no-pvp some players still attacked and when asked why they said it was funny
- Seestatement above re the attitude of a small minority of pvpers towards others.
The pvpers have no one to blame but this small inconsiderate minority who went out of there way to simply grief people for their fun. This lead to the outcry in the live forums. We had also raised these issues during the beta as problems that may occurwhen the game went live.
We had also asked in many posts in the beta to move the final missions out of Kessel as some of us could also see that if it got left to the live game we would see exactly whats happening here. With insults flying back and forwards between both groups and one group being blamed.
I mainly pve at the present time as im slowly working my way to my master rank in pilot and once i reach master rank i will be looking to pvp, i have always had this goal in mind. I would rather they have moved the mission out of the kessel zone and kept it as a pvp area but due to the actions of a small minority of players camping the hyperspace point into kessel for easy kills this change would have happened sooner or later.
So you should ask the pvperswho decided to camp the entry point for easy kills, who ignored the no-pvp title of a ship and killed it for fun and said when asked they did it because they thought it was funny. If they are happy that their actions have caused this change to happen? As the outcry from the players who play for fun and don't like pvp came from these incidents happening to them over and over again.
SCM T'R
All earnest PVP-Player with HONOR can now complain about the little babys who only play the game to make it for other players! I really think they are a minority, but now all get the slap into their face....
That is why we need a system ingame that allows us BH's to hunt this scum down....
Maybe:
If their 10 or more enraged players, who send a mail with proof to - maybe a Dev or a CSR or a special BH-Manager, that there are players camp the jumppoint or grief other players constantly ingame (proof could be chat-log), then the griefing players should be switched on permadeath, marked as "Outlaws" andput as missions on the BH-Terminals for maybe 1-1.5mil........
If they will force other players to PVP, they can get it too for themself......
I'm shure the BH-Community would like this....
Don't bann "badies", give them to us.....
ScReemB wrote:
meeuki wrote:
i'm furious and i have never killed someone doing a mission there.
i'm furious and i've never killed someone loading there.
hey, way to generalize though. let me try. people who whine about pvp in kessel are idiots. oops, see how generalizing works?No one is saying you have or ever are likely to unfortunately not everyone has your sense of honour and fair play and they have been doing these actions. It is a small minority of pvp players who have done this and it has ended up affecting the majority of decent pvp players who for them these actions aren't anything they want to be associated with and it has led to Kessel changing to pve.
I know some may be blaming pvpers as a whole I am not one of them as i know it's a small minority blackening the name of the decent pvpers.
To answer your other reply to me early we told the devs constantly in the beta that we wanted the master mission moved out of Kessel as we could see issues with the pve mission being in the pvp zone. Unfortunately it's taken the game to hit live and more people to have issue with this for a change to happen.
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Message Edited by ScReemB on 11-10-2004 06:50 AM
the people blaming griefing PVP'ers just can't think clearly, that's all.
this entire problem is the fault of SOE, and nobody else. this game is based on conflict and strife. you can't expect people to play fair, what stock would they have in it? no, it's the developers lack of foresight and their tunnel vision knee jerk reactions that brought this on. everyone should be pointing the fingers squarely at them.
Coran_Sienar wrote:
Am I the only pilot who asked potential prey, "Pardon me, but are you PvPing or are you on the Corvette Mission?" before attacking?
PvP in Kessel is about to be nerfed because of the outcry from the PvE people becausesome gankersare too frickin inconsiderate. Thanks a lot, you jerks.
Not all people have honor - and use their brain....
meeuki wrote:
ScReemB wrote:
meeuki wrote:
i'm furious and i have never killed someone doing a mission there.
i'm furious and i've never killed someone loading there.
hey, way to generalize though. let me try. people who whine about pvp in kessel are idiots. oops, see how generalizing works?
No one is saying you have or ever are likely to unfortunately not everyone has your sense of honour and fair play and they have been doing these actions. It is a small minority of pvp players who have done this and it has ended up affecting the majority of decent pvp players who for them these actions aren't anything they want to be associated with and it has led to Kessel changing to pve.
I know some may be blaming pvpers as a whole I am not one of them as i know it's a small minority blackening the name of the decent pvpers.
To answer your other reply to me early we told the devs constantly in the beta that we wanted the master mission moved out of Kessel as we could see issues with the pve mission being in the pvp zone. Unfortunately it's taken the game to hit live and more people to have issue with this for a change to happen.
SCM T'R
Message Edited by ScReemB on 11-10-2004 06:50 AM
the people blaming griefing PVP'ers just can't think clearly, that's all.
this entire problem is the fault of SOE, and nobody else. this game is based on conflict and strife. you can't expect people to play fair, what stock would they have in it? no, it's the developers lack of foresight and their tunnel vision knee jerk reactions that brought this on. everyone should be pointing the fingers squarely at them.
/agree
I remember, we even voted about the Master Missions in Kessel (FORCED PVP)
and also about FORCED GROUPING......
truewildman wrote:
ScReemB wrote:
meeuki wrote:
i'm furious and i have never killed someone doing a mission there.
i'm furious and i've never killed someone loading there.
hey, way to generalize though. let me try. people who whine about pvp in kessel are idiots. oops, see how generalizing works?
No one is saying you have or ever are likely to unfortunately not everyone has your sense of honour and fair play and they have been doing these actions. It is a small minority of pvp players who have done this and it has ended up affecting the majority of decent pvp players who for them these actions aren't anything they want to be associated with and it has led to Kessel changing to pve.
I know some may be blaming pvpers as a whole I am not one of them as i know it's a small minority blackening the name of the decent pvpers.
To answer your other reply to me early we told the devs constantly in the beta that we wanted the master mission moved out of Kessel as we could see issues with the pve mission being in the pvp zone. Unfortunately it's taken the game to hit live and more people to have issue with this for a change to happen.
SCM T'R
Message Edited by ScReemB on 11-10-2004 06:50 AM
Aaaannnnnd basing a decision on the minority doesn't raise any flags to you?
Unfortunately SOE will always listen to a large enough group of players if they are complaining about something loud enough and long enough as they won't want to risk them unsubscribing. This could have been avoided if they had moved the mission when we raised our concerns in the beta forums in numerous posts and none of the current events would be happening.
Personally do i think the pvp zone in kessel should still be there? Yes as i have said this in other posts on the subject where i have also suggested additional content and fixes for pvp for the pvpers to have after ace. The idiots who decided to have fun and camp respawn points and not ignore players marked as no-pvp has led to what we see now. A minority ruining the fun for a large number of players will not go down well whatever the game.
I want to pvp once i'm master and i will be actively seeking to. I would rather the mission was moved and kessel kept as pvp and i'm hoping that it is returned to pvp in the near future. Unfortunately the minority of players who just grief is all some of the pverswill see and this has led to all this.
It's sad that a minority of players have affected the game so badly but SOE were always likely to act once the people they affected hit the forums.
Yes some of the blame must lie with SOE, as well as the small minority of griefers who have blackened the pvp name,as they knew of our concerns in beta and it's only now they are acting.
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Message Edited by ScReemB on 11-10-2004 07:08 AM