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RodianOutlaw
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:09 pm
#1
Please, try the following.... Quit your job flipping burgers at McDonalds... get a goverment grant and student loans , and go to school for X amount of years to learn the basics of game development.... Attempt to launch a 100% perfect MMORPG as complex and intergrated as SWG/JTLS and then come back here and rant and rave about how much this product sucks....
NOTHING MAN MADE IS PERFECT
this is why airplanes still crash today...
this is why you have auto mechanics...
this is why you have constant updates to Microsoft Windows (ever notice that updater? its to patch things to make them better or fix other things...
this is why when you guy buy an xbox. PC , Television DvD player etc etc at a store they offer that extended warranty crap...
i have yet to see ever... A perfect Game or any other piece of Software be released...
EVERY game has bugs and/or aspects which could be improved upon...
YOUR 15 DOLLARS A MONTH is not going towards the PROMISE of a perfect game that is bug free, and has everything you ever imagined in it.....
And its only 15 dollars a month lol . some of you act like your paying alot of money to play this, when infact it comes down 50 CENTS A DAY!!!
you know what you can do with 50cents a day? you can buy a can of soda, make a payphone call or play SWG... hmmmmm sounds like a pretty damn good deal to me....
So please , if you dont enjoy it then dont play.... Imagine all your rants and raves from a developers perspective.... these people worked Very VERY HARD to bring you this game.... and no its not perfect... but ya know. its pretty damned fun... and it will be improved and added to....
These developers are not sitting around thinking how they are gonna screw you today tommorrow or the next day... they are not sitting around wishing they were doing something else... and they are not giving 50% effort to this project, from what ive seen in beta they are giving 120%...
So until you walk in their shoes........ Show a little respect
HeyHolo
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:12 pm
#2
RodianOutlaw wrote:
Please, try the following.... Quit your job flipping burgers at McDonalds... get a goverment grant and student loans , and go to school for X amount of years to learn the basics of game development.... Attempt to launch a 100% perfect MMORPG as complex and intergrated as SWG/JTLS and then come back here and rant and rave about how much this product sucks....
NOTHING MAN MADE IS PERFECT
this is why airplanes still crash today...
this is why you have auto mechanics...
this is why you have constant updates to Microsoft Windows (ever notice that updater? its to patch things to make them better or fix other things...
this is why when you guy buy an xbox. PC , Television DvD player etc etc at a store they offer that extended warranty crap...
i have yet to see ever... A perfect Game or any other piece of Software be released...
EVERY game has bugs and/or aspects which could be improved upon...
YOUR 15 DOLLARS A MONTH is not going towards the PROMISE of a perfect game that is bug free, and has everything you ever imagined in it.....
And its only 15 dollars a month lol . some of you act like your paying alot of money to play this, when infact it comes down 50 CENTS A DAY!!!
you know what you can do with 50cents a day? you can buy a can of soda, make a payphone call or play SWG... hmmmmm sounds like a pretty damn good deal to me....
So please , if you dont enjoy it then dont play.... Imagine all your rants and raves from a developers perspective.... these people worked Very VERY HARD to bring you this game.... and no its not perfect... but ya know. its pretty damned fun... and it will be improved and added to....
These developers are not sitting around thinking how they are gonna screw you today tommorrow or the next day... they are not sitting around wishing they were doing something else... and they are not giving 50% effort to this project, from what ive seen in beta they are giving 120%...
So until you walk in their shoes........ Show a little respect
There's a difference between perfection and just being bugged. The invulnerable shield bug, that's not expecting perfection, that's just a dumb bug. Not wanting to PvP to master, that's not expecting perfection, that's common sense. And any of the other hundred bugs out there. Don't know why I'm even still here though, I don't even play the game anymore heh, cancelled already
Forums were always better than the game though *shrugs*
RodianOutlaw
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:18 pm
#3
Im not saying i like pvp to master btw (i hate it and have no plans on mastering till they change this if ever , i wont be forced to pvp) im not saying the game isnt lacking content lol or alot of other things.....
but its only been out a lil over a week......... these devs are somewhat treading on uncharted territory , i havent seen many games as ambitous <spelling as this....... give them time... i used to be a huge critic... and still am.. but i cant help but looking at this game... and then thinking back to the original xwing game... or my days playing wolfenstien 3d lol or old flight sims on my 386.... and thinking wow weve come a long way baby
Palad
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:22 pm
#4
And we arnt saying they didnt do a good job on everything else besides the crap we have found falt with. But lets face it, it shouldnt take 6 years of college to know forced PVP and missioned based progression would make people angery. And I dont flip burgers for a living, im in the military. If we were as complacent as the game comunity is about the quality of its product I promise you planes would drop out of the sky a lot more often and people would be blown apart alot more often. Its called pride in your product, if you dont have enough to get the bugs out of it and impliment a well thought out plan for progression within it why shouldnt people want your head?
S7E4L7H
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:28 pm
#5
Heyholo your dead wrong
I don't care about your estimation they put 120 % into it
the results are what they put up for sale
Tell me why it has such horrible view
Why combat will never be fair since they introduced a loot system which is absurd in space in any case
absurd or not it makes combat impossible to ballance so your space war game wont be fair.... you pleased with that honestly ?
Still feel 120 % effort is satisfactory ?
Tell you what they can put in 10 % effort and get 100 % results and i will be happy
I would settle for a decent space sim. We got a long long way to go so fire those devs that are Trying to hard, there not talented enuff and your to dam easy to please.
I am complaining about real thigns here ..... I don't have to make anythign up at all I just got to pick on one item at a time as you said
I like the visuals ....there we made progress keep the eye candy ........
Trash the rest there we made progress again
there we made progress again effort sux I want results 
The Consumer
Message Edited by S7E4L7H on 11-06-2004 07:31 PM
Baalzvuv
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:36 pm
#6
S7E4L7H wrote:
Heyholo your dead wrong
I don't care about your estimation they put 120 % into it
the results are what they put up for sale
Tell me why it has such horrible view
Why combat will never be fair since they introduced a loot system which is absurd in space in any case
absurd or not it makes combat impossible to ballance so your space war game wont be fair.... you pleased with that honestly ?
Still feel 120 % effort is satisfactory ?
Tell you what they can put in 10 % effort and get 100 % results and i will be happy
I would settle for a decent space sim. We got a long long way to go so fire those devs that are Trying to hard, there not talented enuff and your to dam easy to please.
I am complaining about real thigns here ..... I don't have to make anythign up at all I just got to pick on one item at a time as you said
I like the visuals ....there we made progress keep the eye candy ........
Trash the rest
effort sux I want results
The Consumer
Message Edited by S7E4L7H on 11-06-2004 07:31 PM
Dude, where are you from?
Kudali
Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:43 pm
#7
I am going to have to agree with the original poster on this one. Development takes a lot of time, and the only reason that there are so many bugs is because we as customers demand a lot. If the devs had the time that it should take to actually implement everything in this game, then there would be no bugs. However, we as customers want everything as quickly as possible, which means products are rushed so that we can get them sooner. How happy would everyone be if JTL was not released for another year so that they could catch every little bug? Just a thought...
-kudali
-kudali
HeyHolo
Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:26 pm
#8
Uhh, stealth,w-t-f are you talking about? I didn't say anything about whatever it is you're talking about, what are you replying in the wrong thread or something??
Message Edited by HeyHolo on 11-06-2004 08:27 PM
Dragonbanisher
Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:49 pm
#9
Mission/quest based progression is a GREAT idea for class progression and lvling. Mix it up with exp and mission based and you could make ground class lvling much more entertaining and interesting than just beating the hell out of things for hours on end. It would be MUCH more warmly received if we had auto save points for missions. But I would totally support this type of leveling system for ground based professions as well as space.
lunar004
Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:20 pm
#10
Its a broken game, and instead of working on just a solution we just get more added to the problem.
Trevellian
Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:49 pm
#11
S7E4L7H wrote:Heyholo your dead wrongI don't care about your estimation they put 120 % into itthe results are what they put up for saleTell me why it has such horrible viewWhy combat will never be fair since they introduced a loot system which is absurd in space in any caseabsurd or not it makes combat impossible to ballance so your space war game wont be fair.... you pleased with that honestly ?Still feel 120 % effort is satisfactory ?Tell you what they can put in 10 % effort and get 100 % results and i will be happyI would settle for a decent space sim. We got a long long way to go so fire those devs that are Trying to hard, there not talented enuff and your to dam easy to please.I am complaining about real thigns here ..... I don't have to make anythign up at all I just got to pick on one item at a time as you saidI like the visuals ....there we made progress keep the eye candy ........Trash the resteffort sux I want resultsThe ConsumerMessage Edited by S7E4L7H on 11-06-2004 07:31 PM
Can I have your stuff?
I assume that as you feel there is nothing to do but complain about the state of the game you have decided to quit, right?
Rahcko
Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:09 pm
#12
"this is why airplanes still crash today...
this is why you have auto mechanics...
this is why you have constant updates to Microsoft Windows (ever notice that updater? its to patch things to make them better or fix other things...
this is why when you guy buy an xbox. PC , Television DvD player etc etc at a store they offer that extended warranty crap..."
this is why new job possitions have opened up on the galaxies devolpment team...someones a$$ got fired : )
this is why you have auto mechanics...
this is why you have constant updates to Microsoft Windows (ever notice that updater? its to patch things to make them better or fix other things...
this is why when you guy buy an xbox. PC , Television DvD player etc etc at a store they offer that extended warranty crap..."
this is why new job possitions have opened up on the galaxies devolpment team...someones a$$ got fired : )
Message Edited by Rahcko on 11-06-2004 10:10 PM
Bloodshead
Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:34 pm
#13
RodianOutlaw wrote:
Please, try the following.... Quit your job flipping burgers at McDonalds... get a goverment grant and student loans , and go to school for X amount of years to learn the basics of game development.... Attempt to launch a 100% perfect MMORPG as complex and intergrated as SWG/JTLS and then come back here and rant and rave about how much this product sucks....
NOTHING MAN MADE IS PERFECT
this is why airplanes still crash today...
this is why you have auto mechanics...
this is why you have constant updates to Microsoft Windows (ever notice that updater? its to patch things to make them better or fix other things...
this is why when you guy buy an xbox. PC , Television DvD player etc etc at a store they offer that extended warranty crap...
i have yet to see ever... A perfect Game or any other piece of Software be released...
EVERY game has bugs and/or aspects which could be improved upon...
YOUR 15 DOLLARS A MONTH is not going towards the PROMISE of a perfect game that is bug free, and has everything you ever imagined in it.....
And its only 15 dollars a month lol . some of you act like your paying alot of money to play this, when infact it comes down 50 CENTS A DAY!!!
you know what you can do with 50cents a day? you can buy a can of soda, make a payphone call or play SWG... hmmmmm sounds like a pretty damn good deal to me....
So please , if you dont enjoy it then dont play.... Imagine all your rants and raves from a developers perspective.... these people worked Very VERY HARD to bring you this game.... and no its not perfect... but ya know. its pretty damned fun... and it will be improved and added to....
These developers are not sitting around thinking how they are gonna screw you today tommorrow or the next day... they are not sitting around wishing they were doing something else... and they are not giving 50% effort to this project, from what ive seen in beta they are giving 120%...
So until you walk in their shoes........ Show a little respect
Do I expect prefection out of a game??? No, what a DO expect is a game that works for all peoples point of view, if they cant do that, at least focus on what the majority wants.
The devs keep making more broken and bugged and lame game features because they fail to listen to the playerbase. Hell they rarely post on the forums at all, and I wouldnt be suprised if they just ignore most of ours. You want to know why Blizzard Makes such great games, because they actually listen to what the player wants, not what they think will be cool. Player/dev involvement is really key to a great game. Why should we have forums if half our ideas go unnoticed by the devs. We got our imperial hat fixed, after more then a year of being broken. Yea look at how many 50 page petitions that took lol. You see, if we dont pick at these little things at the beginning, then the devs will just let it get worse. After all during the beginning is when it will have the most bugs/broken crap, so why should we wait 5 months to get it fixed. Please devs, I know you are working hard on JTL, but some things here dont even make sense or dont work. We got the bully in the schoolyard situation at Kessel and most of the pilot professions arent even balanced *cough* Privateer *cough*
I just want to know, why would you be happy with 5 months of broken crap when we can get it fixed in the up coming week or so?? How does this affect you in any way, and 15 bucks a month coming from 500k people is a lot of cash. Just my 2 credits into the pot.
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