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meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:49 am
#4
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Cool, glad to see the DEV's actually listen
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
Barb-Wire
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:52 am
#5
meeuki wrote:
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Cool, glad to see the DEV's actually listen
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
actually no, i dont. PVP in kessel is primarily used to grief other players trying to go about their business. there is a PVP zone for legitimate fighting and you can always fly to one of the myriad stations and declare yourself overt. but since you cant run around ganking people anymore when folks are just trying to get master why should i feel a shred of pity for you. there is a zone available for the PVP types devoted solely to PVP go play there.
SanRa_Ledav
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:53 am
#6
No, actually I'm not trolling.
Not everyone wants to PVP, and Kessel went against the original mantra of "no forced PVP in SWG"
So quite honestly I know I'm not the only one who is happy about this change.
The only people who seem to be upset are the people who camped kessel and greifed players trying to attain master pilot.
There should be a high-end PVP zone and a high end PVE zone. period.
Not everyone wants to PVP, and Kessel went against the original mantra of "no forced PVP in SWG"
So quite honestly I know I'm not the only one who is happy about this change.
The only people who seem to be upset are the people who camped kessel and greifed players trying to attain master pilot.
There should be a high-end PVP zone and a high end PVE zone. period.
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:54 am
#7
Barb-Wire wrote:
meeuki wrote:
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Cool, glad to see the DEV's actually listen
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
actually no, i dont. PVP in kessel is primarily used to grief other players trying to go about their business. there is a PVP zone for legitimate fighting and you can always fly to one of the myriad stations and declare yourself overt. but since you cant run around ganking people anymore when folks are just trying to get master why should i feel a shred of pity for you. there is a zone available for the PVP types devoted solely to PVP go play there.
Neutrals cannot declare overt. Meaning they have to wait until they master, then accumulate 30k prestige just to PvP.
What about those that cannot or do not wish to master? What about them?
truewildman
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:56 am
#8
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
No, actually I'm not trolling.
Not everyone wants to PVP, and Kessel went against the original mantra of "no forced PVP in SWG"
So quite honestly I know I'm not the only one who is happy about this change.
The only people who seem to be upset are the people who camped kessel and greifed players trying to attain master pilot.
There should be a high-end PVP zone and a high end PVE zone. period.
Very, very completely, utterly untrue.
I've never PvP'd, and when in Kessel would call a truce, and leave the ones around a corvette completely alone.
Move the mission out of Kessel, yes, but leave it a PvP zone.
Leana_Txorana
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:57 am
#9
You do know about Dev Tracker? It lists every post by a dev. You find out a lot of cool stuff that way.
SanRa_Ledav
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:01 am
#10
Meh, I just saw everyone talking about it, and thought to just simply ask what was going on. ;-)
Cutedge
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:02 am
#11
Whoa, calm down man.
Look, you can search through the threads on this and you'll find one interesting point: No one asked for Kessel to be PVE. It's simply the easiest solution they could make.
I'm pro-pvp, but having to fight off other players to do the mission made it impossible. Imperials are much more advantaged and thus that's why you see more imperial aces. You can get full repairs and go back without delay. Rebels can't (dant is a 3/4 every 5 minute repair zone). You can use bomber strike which will rip the corvette and gunboats up and then set your sights on the attacking players. Rebels can't.
If a full group can't do the mission because of a handful of enemy players then it is evidence of a flawed system. It wasn't because we were totally getting ripped up by them either. We were killing them off pretty quickly but every time they came, it was maybe a loss of 1 or 2 players, and they were back within a minute or two while our guys have to warp to coriella or somewhere to get full repairs. After about 10 or 15 minutes of this, we're all dead. The corvette is barely hurt if it is hurt at all. And on top of everything, the gunboats and corvette are still firing on us as we attack it. If the task didn't involve the gunboats, maybe it'd be doable. If the damage reduction was in play, maybe it'd be doable. However, the fact of the matter is that these things are not in play, and it was making people very angry.
The concept of fighting off enemy players on your master missions is good, but in practice it doesn't work and just provides frustration. Even if you're good, you get screwed in the end. A lot of the people saying "oh, but i completed it" are Imperials, and you guys need to realize that between Bomber Strike and Endor being a quick repair, you have a huge advantage over us.
And I plan to pvp. I run duty missions in Endor (hint hint CU, come get me :smileywink
while overt so i get fp. I've never been approached. I'll try toencourage others that are just mining xp to go overt. I'd be happy with pvp. I'll be even more happy when there's reasonable damage. I look forward to fighting the ISD. I look forward to you guys fighting for it.
while overt so i get fp. I've never been approached. I'll try toencourage others that are just mining xp to go overt. I'd be happy with pvp. I'll be even more happy when there's reasonable damage. I look forward to fighting the ISD. I look forward to you guys fighting for it.
Cutedge
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:04 am
#12
truewildman wrote:
What about those that cannot or do not wish to master? What about them?
Yeah but until this change, the answer I was getting was "well, only a handful of people on the server should master".
I agree wholeheartedly that a new pvp zone for non-master should be added.
meeuki
Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:04 am
#13
Barb-Wire wrote:
meeuki wrote:
SanRa_Ledav wrote:
Cool, glad to see the DEV's actually listen
listen to whom? you? yeah believe me, everyone who pvp's and cares about a fun GCW is real glad they listen to you too.
they could have fixed it without ruining things for other players. you don't care about that though, do you?
or wait, were you just meaning to troll?
actually no, i dont. PVP in kessel is primarily used to grief other players trying to go about their business. there is a PVP zone for legitimate fighting and you can always fly to one of the myriad stations and declare yourself overt. but since you cant run around ganking people anymore when folks are just trying to get master why should i feel a shred of pity for you. there is a zone available for the PVP types devoted solely to PVP go play there.
no, you are flat out wrong. kessel is not used primarily to grief other players. you are guilty of selfish generalization to further your aims. i have been in kessel every night for the past week and a half and i have seen no load killing. furthermore everyone whom i've fought in there has loved the challenge of having to sneak in to do the master mission, constantly aware.
this is just another example of whining babies generalizing without either experiencing it for real, or being unable to deal with being killed because of egg shell egos. yes, there is some greifing going on in kessel on some servers. does that warrant removing an entire PVP zone, the ONLY pvp zone accessable to non masters? the ONLY true free for all pvp zone for factionless players? no. they could have fixed the mission and fixed kessel without taking that away from players.
pvp in general zones is an excersize in futility, it amounts to strolling around for hours looking for random encounters and there are no points of contention. it's a weak subsitution for an area devoted to it, but you wouldn't know that, since that's an aspect of the game you don't care about, and you apparently strive to make other players not care either.
please, spare me your pity bulls*t, it's insolant and ignorant players like yourself, completely deluded and immersed in their PVE creature handling/rifleman solo artist niche that ruins the game for other players. it's you who need the pity. greifing happens because it CAN, because lack of developer foresight allows it. kessel, as it says in the loading screen is a PVP area. if you were really concerned about this game and other players you would have been clamoring alongside other rational players for changes to kessel that did not involve nerfing what was fun about it.
let's just sum up for you.
1. i have never greifed in kessel
2. i have never seen anyone griefed in kessel
2. it's a pvp zone, and a lot of fun
3. it's selfish and ignorant of you to want to take fun away from other players, then gloat about it when the developers implement a knee jerk change.
but then again, you don't care so long as your narrow view is sated, so i'm not sure why i'm bother trying to inform you.
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