Items And Loot Archive

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Skelestoner wrote:

your missing the point. if you can kill nyax, bravo. but if you sit right where you killed him and wait for him to come back over and over again, then your camping unfairly.

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camping is fair unless you use an exploit or 3rd party macro or afk or something.

Now try killing nyax and tell me its not earning it

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Skelestoner wrote:

im not speaking just for the nyax span, im talking about camping in general.

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camping is a stupid part of this game but its not the players that you should be complaining about. Its the people who give the players a reason to camp. Theres nothingunfair about camping unless you afk or use some exploit.

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Tavtrin wrote:

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Alristico wrote:

Can a whole server share nyax?

No. Its impossible. Nyax spawns every 20min so figuring there are about 5000 noobs who want uber loot without earning it it would take 1,388 days for everyone to have one chance at killing nyax and getting uber loot, however it will take many more days for everyone to get uber loot because nyax doesn't always drop the uber loot.

Can a game be played without competition?

No. Its impossible. Games are made for competition. If it were taken out then the game couldn't be played. Everyone would share everything no matter how hard it was to get (heres a jet pack for ya) and nothing would mean anything. This game would just be an elaborate chat room.

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1,388 days? 3 times an hour 72 times a day I think that would be 69 days. When I get home I'll do it with calculator or paper and a pencil; I am pretty sure it isn't close to 1400 though.

Message Edited by Tavtrin on 02-03-2005 04:06 PM

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your right, i have no idea how I came up with 1388. So how are you gunna share nyax with the server again?

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Akuma-enshi wrote:

Wow.......after 4 pages of reading I have come to this conclusion.

You can not argue morality.

This has Nothing to do with "earning" Alristico.

It does have to do with greed. You are greedy. You can not argue that. Somebody wanting something does not constitute greed.

Somebody taking something in excess (especially when there is a public want for the same thing) is greed. Does thatmean you are the only greedy one and if you share, the person you share with won't want to do the same?

No.

Expecting Alristico to adopt a set of morals because you think it's right is ignorant. He has the ability to farm the spawn, he makes a lot of money doing it, there by allowing him to buy better weapons and resources to do it more consistantly. This is called a monopoly. He has monopolized the Nyax. Is it messed up? Personally, I think so. But who cares if you think it's right or wrong.

You can't argue morality.

It's the way the game is. You want him to stop camping? Get a bigger group. Out camp him, do something. Don't say it's unfair. Fairness is relative.

There are a lot of great ideas on how to change the situation (notice I didn't say fix). Getting someone to adopt your way of thinking or the morals you choose to exercise isn't one of them.

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Your retarded. I've only camped nyax a few times, mostly being unsuccessful. But it felt real good to finally out damage another group andearn some uber loot.

now that your COMPLETE MISCONCEPTIONS have been thrown out the window what you do you have to say for yourself? Are you also expecting someone to step aside and stop competing while you can loot uber attachments to quench your own greed?

I don't see how earning something is immoral, I do however, see how trying to get something without earning it can be immoral.

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Alristico wrote:

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Tavtrin wrote:

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Alristico wrote:

Can a whole server share nyax?

No. Its impossible. Nyax spawns every 20min so figuring there are about 5000 noobs who want uber loot without earning it it would take 1,388 days for everyone to have one chance at killing nyax and getting uber loot, however it will take many more days for everyone to get uber loot because nyax doesn't always drop the uber loot.

Can a game be played without competition?

No. Its impossible. Games are made for competition. If it were taken out then the game couldn't be played. Everyone would share everything no matter how hard it was to get (heres a jet pack for ya) and nothing would mean anything. This game would just be an elaborate chat room.

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1,388 days? 3 times an hour 72 times a day I think that would be 69 days. When I get home I'll do it with calculator or paper and a pencil; I am pretty sure it isn't close to 1400 though.

Message Edited by Tavtrin on 02-03-2005 04:06 PM

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your right, i have no idea how I came up with 1388. So how are you gunna share nyax with the server again?

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Again I don't know why this is so difficult to understand for you. Just let the one person at nyax who has attacked nyax the least try for the spawn first. That is a simple and easy way to sharethe kills. That will split them as evenly as it will get for those who go to the poi. Anyway I'm done with this argument after this post. We obviously have very different opinions on this issue, greed/lack of greed or whatever you want to say causes the differing opinions are personality issues. I don't think that both of us have pretty much expanded our arguments to the fullest, anything else would be repeating ourselves using different wording(which has already begun).

Message Edited by Eikmms on 02-03-2005 07:50 PM

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ObiQuixote wrote:
I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people and there is a lot populist threads going around about fairness and all, but there is another side of the story and something you should be aware of, it’s why a lot of us old timers and evil loot campers get upset when we see these threads.

Basically, we already put in our time. We spent the months where we couldn’t get rights on anything. We have already been down the road you are on and learned from it. We have taken the time to level our toons, spent the millions on equipment and did what was needed to be able to compete with those that once kept us from getting loot ourselves. We have learned all the little tips and tricks on how to play the damage game (Actually it’s not as simple as just bigger guns.) All of us campers were once just like you and we put a lot of time and effort into not being at the mercy of people just like us.

To us all these threads say the same thing from our perspective. All the time and effort you spent to be able to do what you can do, it should mean nothing and give you no benefit.

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I wouldn't friggin mind if you guys would sell your loot. But you don't!!!!!!! Who here has bought a recycler? Or any parts of a recycler? I'm tired of finding vendors with nothing but blue carpet dye and nabooinian statue bases!!!

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Alristico wrote:

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Koch20 wrote:

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Tavtrin wrote:

It basically comes down to this; some people are mature and nice enough to share some aren't. Whatever the justification given is it comes down to that, and nothing you say can change that so trying to justify camping is a waste of time

Message Edited by Tavtrin on 02-01-2005 04:59 PM

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Can't be said any better

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If you guys wanna share everything without competing for it then test center is the perfect server for you. Everyone there is really nice and since its a tight nit community everyone is very helpful. Prices are much lower and people give away things to strangers that cost millions on live. I played there for a while, ground out all three of my characters that are allowed there and was accepted into the community but something was always missing for me. It was the competition. They even have pvp rules where overts don't attack unless they both give their consent. Very different but I longed for a live server very much. You might wanna check it out.

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Stupid ppl like you ruin this game go play Wow or something else for all i care just unplug your PC.

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mpdivo wrote:
I wouldn't friggin mind if you guys would sell your loot. But you don't!!!!!!! Who here has bought a recycler? Or any parts of a recycler? I'm tired of finding vendors with nothing but blue carpet dye and nabooinian statue bases!!!

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LOL,

Been trying to put those together since they came out still haven't got one. feed tubes and agitator motors are holding me up.

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Alristico wrote:

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Tavtrin wrote:

Just let the one person at nyax who has attacked nyax the least try for the spawn first.

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Nyax is a competition, not a kindergarden line at a water fountain.

also if nyax stops being a competition then how will you know which one out of the thousands "attacked nyax the least"?

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are you trying to justify spawn camping? shouldn't everyone that pays to playthis gamebe entitled to some great loot? those people that don't play 10 hours a day, shouldn't they be able to get in on the action? instead, most of the casual players stand idly by as the power-gamers take almost everything. this is a game, go play it. after all, it's called star wars, not loot wars.

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kujan wrote:

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Alristico wrote:

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Tavtrin wrote:

Just let the one person at nyax who has attacked nyax the least try for the spawn first.

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Nyax is a competition, not a kindergarden line at a water fountain.

also if nyax stops being a competition then how will you know which one out of the thousands "attacked nyax the least"?

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are you trying to justify spawn camping?

no, spawn camping sucks but theres nothing unfair about it (barring exploits) and theres nothing you can do to make people stop doing it. Only the devs can make it stop. So either you take off your high heels and join the competition or go somewhere else to get uber loot.

shouldn't everyone that pays to playthis gamebe entitled to some great loot?

Noone is entitled to uber loot. All we are entitled to do by paying for this game is playing the game without breaking any rules. You have to earn uber loot just like you have to earn crappy loot except its alot easier to earn crappy loot. And all I am seeing here are people who want to easily earn uber loot which is completely illogical. Please don't say its easy to sit around and loot nyax all day cause if that was the case then we'd all be doing it.

those people that don't play 10 hours a day, shouldn't they be able to get in on the action?instead, most of the casual players stand idly by as the power-gamers take almost everything. this is a game, go play it. after all, it's called star wars, not loot wars.

casual players are not entitled to the rewards of power gamers. And by that I mean that all the rewards of playing 10 hours a day should not be given to people who don't. I'm not saying acasual player can not gain loot rights to nyax.

Saying that its not fair cause im a casual gamer is one of the lamest excuses out there.

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Akuma-enshi wrote:

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Akuma-enshi wrote:

Wow.......after 4 pages of reading I have come to this conclusion.

You can not argue morality.

This has Nothing to do with "earning" Alristico.

It does have to do with greed. You are greedy. You can not argue that. Somebody wanting something does not constitute greed.

Somebody taking something in excess (especially when there is a public want for the same thing) is greed. Does thatmean you are the only greedy one and if you share, the person you share with won't want to do the same?

No.

Expecting Alristico to adopt a set of morals because you think it's right is ignorant. He has the ability to farm the spawn, he makes a lot of money doing it, there by allowing him to buy better weapons and resources to do it more consistantly. This is called a monopoly. He has monopolized the Nyax. Is it messed up? Personally, I think so. But who cares if you think it's right or wrong.

You can't argue morality.

It's the way the game is. You want him to stop camping? Get a bigger group. Out camp him, do something. Don't say it's unfair. Fairness is relative.

There are a lot of great ideas on how to change the situation (notice I didn't say fix). Getting someone to adopt your way of thinking or the morals you choose to exercise isn't one of them.

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Listen child, I wasn't taking either side.

Also if you actually READ a post instead of assuming you know what I'm saying then you would know that what I was saying about morality had nothing to do with you.

Except for when you say, "Expecting Alristico to adopt a set of morals because you think it's right is ignorant." what you should have said was, "expecting alristico to adopt a set of morals other than the ones he has" Otherwise it looks like you're saying that I don't have any morals to start with.

Prior to thisyou said it has nothing to do with earning which is an impossibility. The whole premise of the argument is that some people want to earn uber loot with less effort than it would normally take.

Then you showed that you don't know the definition of the word greed. Here it is:

"An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves"

You say its not about "wanting" and you are wrong. Its all about wanting. In the case of a camper that doesn't exploit or afk,they deserve what they get because they are earning it in spite of all the incredible competition so they are not greedy at all. If you think they are greedy because of all the wealth then look at the trade forums. Things cause millions. 100mil can easily be spent in a day.

Its not the campers who are greedy, its the people who want uber loot without earning it which means they don't deserve it.

after this you start talking about this false belief thatI am this bigcamper and that Im monopolizing and farming the spawn yatta yatta....... you are the one not reading posts.

I have to say, you did a poor job of being impartial.

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Message Edited by Alristico on 02-04-2005 11:19 AM