Items And Loot Archive

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Symphony wrote:

I see what you're saying about the prices, but I feel that it excludes the newer players from the game. New craftsmen have a harder time competing because all the older players have astronomical sums of money and can afford to outbid them for all the good items in the game. They can also undercut on prices and drive out the new guy (I saw this with my clamps. They were going for 10k a crate when I started, so I sold for 6, then they went to 5, and on down. I don't know what they go for now, I gave up trying).

All of you guys started so long ago, perhaps when there was less competition. You say that I need to earn the money instead of camping for it. Let me ask you this: who is buying my weapons? Everyone wants the weapons made by the 12 pt WSs. I'm a crafter, not a fighter, so my chance to make money is based on 1500 credit missions. I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing that'll take a couple days to earn the millions required to be able to outbid one of the established players - and by then, they'll have outearned me. It's a never-ending cycle that will always exclude the newer players.

I find it ironic that it's the lack of money that made me start camping and you guys complain that it's the campers that are taking all of your money. Perhaps that too is a cycle.

Well, I'll tell you all what: I offer a bargain.

I promise I'll:

Never camp another POI. If the spawn time for a POI is once an hour, I'll clear it once an hour.

I won't do any more of the grinding /afk - I'll run my macros to kill meatlumps and such, cuz I'm still trying to build the recyclers, but I'll sit at the keyboard while it happens...

You guys promise that you'll:

Never charge more than normal wear and tear on your armor and weapons for another item as long as you play the game

Never charge a single credit for something that costs only your time (20k credit schematics)

Neither of us will cheat the rules given above, meaning I'm not going to camp the borgle cave for 8 hours while I sleep and then get up and clear it 8 times in a row in the space of 15 minutes. You won't give your big ticket goodies to guild mates to sell for you and then they give you the credits.

How many of you who hate camping will sacrifice enough to make this promise? I feel this is an even swap since it's thecredit-hoarders who started me camping in the first place. Here's a chance to give back to the game. You get rid of one camper, I get honest people who help their fellow players and specifically the noobs out there. Any takers?

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wow, you just don't give up! Like you've done with others, you've also assumed my position, for the sake of furthering your own selfish agenda. I am not any sort of vendor, looter, nothing. I am a humble bothan pistoleer, in the game to see the content. I do not gouge. Alas, I do not have to combat skills to beat the POI campers. So, not only do I not have the loot, I also lack the funds to buy them. My game experience is affected by this in no way. Unlike you, I am not playing "to win". I make my money by selling meat to doctors and such, or trading my modest crystal loots to others for materials that benefit myself. My account currently holds 4 million. I recently had a krayted DE10 made for me. Nothing amazing, but I like it. Of course, I couldn't afford to buy such a gun. How'd I do it? My friend gave me a set of 10 tissues, because I helped him with his prof. This is how a game is played. By working together. Not by saying "it's not fair I'm gonna take a short cut because I lack the ingenuity to compete". Funny how everyone else (not yourself) is to blame for the sorry economy/ camping etc.

My alt is a master smuggler. No vendor, just a smuggler. as a smuggler yourself you know that I'll never beat the TKM in damage for the loot either. Oh well. i repeat, I grinded smuggler with the help of friends. I'll leave you to reread that post.

But your latest post quoted here made me laugh. On the one hand, you're Robin Hood, giving it all away for free (after you've fed yourself at the trough of course). Now you're complaining of people undercutting your clamp prices? And you're also surprised that someone playing for a long time has more advantage? Well, no sheet sherlock! I'm certain that people who went to the klondike made lots of room for the newcomers to get their share of the gold right? Or that Micro$oft is perfectly fine sharing marketplace with other players like Netscape or Corel. Why bother with patents and trademarks? They're not really fair to newcomers either. I'm a newish player too, since August, and November for the alt. Ironically, I'm also starting the WS grind for my smuggler. 10pt 12pt, oh well. I'm not playing to win. They're always a market for low-end / middle-end products. Just ask Wal-Mart. At the end of the day, and I do falter and give in, I surely won't try to put a bow on it and claim it's for the downtrodden masses.

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Symphony wrote:

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Who do I hurt by camping? I hurt the guy that was going to wander in to the borgle cave POI and loot the goodies at the bottom of the cave.

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Yep, you sure do hurt him. Wasted time/effort in his gaming session because you're a robot "player."

Extended AFK play in any MMORPG is inherently problematic and disastrous when done en masse. It destroys the MMORPG, because essentially you don't have players playing your game and buildling a community, you have people who join your game to play it, see it infested with bots, and quit the game. Word spreads - game dies.

Then, of course, there's the guy you speak of above. What happens when he spends 10k credits on buffs, some brandy, Entertainer buffs, and gets to the bottom of the POI only to find you? I don't care if it's during the slow times or primetime, that person gets pissed for their wasted effort with no reward, because you've stolen it while AFK. They quit. Thus, more people leave the MMORPG and the game dies a painful death with AFK'ers still blabbing on in Spatial to no one except new players who login, see a bot infestation, then never touch the game again.

None of this matters, your days of AFK'ing are numbered, as are the other AFK'ers' days. The Devs will be removing any kind of recursive macros, which means you won't be able to do this for extended periodsof time. For the benefit of the GAME, AFK will go away.

Justify it however you want - your financial situation (remedied with just a bit of mission-running, but gee it's easier to stand in one spot and run a macro, and kill meatlumps) or your idea of ethics in the economy (which, I'm sorry to inform you, no single player can truly impact significantly).

The bottom line is that even though you can do it, you probably shouldn't - take a look around at all the lame macros running. It's getting truly sad and does NOTHING to add to a Star Wars atmosphere to see zombie combat players killing the things you want to kill because you're a newbie and need the xp/looking for interesting loot. You're hurting that guy, too - not just the veteran hoping for phat lewt from a POI boss spawn.

So, lets see - you hurt lots of others (people you never meet while you sleep) and you benefit yourself, for your self-guided mission to change a server's economy.

Sounds like nothing but selfishness.

Good luck.

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Symphony wrote:

What are you complaining about, Pixel? I promised to stop camping. All you guys gotta do is agree to not gouge your fellow players. You claim that you already don't gouge your fellow players, so you have to do NOTHING except agree to keep playing like you've been playing. What's the problem?

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This is how I've always played, always will, giving free stuff to newbies who are nice and ATK, and unlike you:

I didn't have to have someone else make some half-arsed deal in order to play a game with some self-respect and portray any semblence of dignity. If you don't want to AFK loot camp anymore, then don't - I see absolutely no point in saying "c'mon, you do this, and THEN I'll stop." That's just ignorant.

I've said my piece, AFK while you can, steal from others, but the AFK days are numbered - for the good of the game. Don't want to AFK anymore? Wonderful - welcome to playing the game like the rest of us do.

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Xenoch wrote:

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that tries to bring down the prices. I am sick of scalpers on gorath and have tried my best to bring prices through the floor. I will continue to do so as long as I can. I don't macro for tapes but if I get them I sell them cheap just to get them out there. I also sell containers on my vendor for 1k, and all the parts for kits cheap. The most expensive being the dye, adhesive... so on around 10k usually. Hey I still have to pay for my houses. Thanks for all the work to bring prices down... hope more of us do so.

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