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Thread: All these Camping Complaints
Maybe my attitude is childish, not the point though.
Jagged-F3l wrote:The reason I said this is to point out how childish your attitude isconcerning spawn camping. You do not become more special with the time you put into the game. If you want special treatment ingame, then earn the respect and friendship of your fellow players. Where it concerns spawn killing, a player will be more likely to invite you to a group killing the spawn if you earn their respect and friendship, then if you walk around with this chip on your shoulders.
The point I’m trying to make is there are some things that should require more work and effort to achieve. Should a level 2 fighter have the same opportunity to kill stuff and loot as a level 30? I know this game isn’t really like that but the game concept is the same. If someone puts more time and effort into something should they get more out of it then someone who doesn’t?
Is it fair to give the same reward to the level 2 player as the level 30?
Crafting, Jedi and all other aspects of the game are the same way. It requires a lot of time and work to break through but once you do that’s where the rewards are. It takes a long time and a lot of boring work to become a Jedi. I don’t have one and hate having to fight them in PvP and loot rights but that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve some benefit for their effort or I should have as much power as a Jedi without putting in the work myself. And it takes a lot of time and hard work to make a successful business with a good client base in this game. But that doesn’t mean I should start off as a 12 pt crafter with huge collection of resources that took someone else a long time to gather.
All of these things require a lot of up front work and with all of these things there are cries from people looking up at what they have achieved saying that they shouldn’t have what they have, we should be able to achieve the same thing with out all work.
Alristico wrote:
Tavtrin wrote:
Alristico wrote:
Share? what does that mean? It means strolling in and aquiring millions of dollars worth of loot at an easy static npc spawn without being contested. If sharing were the case, try sharing one uber static spawn with the whole server. Cause thats what'll happen. EVERYONE WILL WANT THERE SHARE. And if this is somehow even possible the the uber loot becomes as valuable as loot kit pieces. But its not even possible cause its just one static spawnso keep dreaming.
Sharing means being nice and mature enough to allow others to have/get a try at something when you could keep it. In this case it means allowing others to stroll in and get something possibly worth millions of credits, only being contested by the mobs at the nyax cult poi. For some people it is hard to do things like that, because again they aren't mature or nice enough to. Yes everyone will want their share, and many people are happy to give it. What I'm saying is that sharing should be the case, and if selfish people stopped being selfish it would.
All you keep saying is that you don't want to earn the best loot in the game. You want someone to give it to you. Your just a poor player that wants some uber attachments but can't compete with others to get them... awwweee poor poor tavtrin. Do you want weaponsmiths to share their krayt enhanced weapons too? and do you want jedi to share their accounts and give you the login and password? and do you want professional athletes to share their money and give you some. YOU, out of everyone else, you. Well I hope you can someday know what it means to earn something. gl
I play this game for the challenge, that is why most people play(I asssume so at least). I don't really want uber attachments because I have little need for them. I don't spend much money in the game so I end up giving away most of it away and an uber attachment wouldn't really do much for me. If the nyax cave wasn't camped I would go a couple times hoping for a few nice things, particularly a high artisan exp attachment for my friend reelov(shameless plug I know but I'm buying them for him if your on wanderhome)."awee poor poor tavtrin" doesn't help your argument, wasn't much point in saying it. And I don't think you quite get this, people aren't not camping because they think it's to much work. The majority of us wouldn't be happy camping and being selfish, no matter how many "uber attachments" we got. Everyone isn't like you, I could sit there for hours killing nyax every time he spawned andifit meant being selfish I wouldn't get any pleasure out of it.
Tavtrin wrote:
Alristico wrote:
Tavtrin wrote:
Alristico wrote:
Share? what does that mean? It means strolling in and aquiring millions of dollars worth of loot at an easy static npc spawn without being contested. If sharing were the case, try sharing one uber static spawn with the whole server. Cause thats what'll happen. EVERYONE WILL WANT THERE SHARE. And if this is somehow even possible the the uber loot becomes as valuable as loot kit pieces. But its not even possible cause its just one static spawnso keep dreaming.
Sharing means being nice and mature enough to allow others to have/get a try at something when you could keep it. In this case it means allowing others to stroll in and get something possibly worth millions of credits, only being contested by the mobs at the nyax cult poi. For some people it is hard to do things like that, because again they aren't mature or nice enough to. Yes everyone will want their share, and many people are happy to give it. What I'm saying is that sharing should be the case, and if selfish people stopped being selfish it would.
All you keep saying is that you don't want to earn the best loot in the game. You want someone to give it to you. Your just a poor player that wants some uber attachments but can't compete with others to get them... awwweee poor poor tavtrin. Do you want weaponsmiths to share their krayt enhanced weapons too? and do you want jedi to share their accounts and give you the login and password? and do you want professional athletes to share their money and give you some. YOU, out of everyone else, you. Well I hope you can someday know what it means to earn something. gl
I play this game for the challenge, that is why most people play(I asssume so at least). I don't really want uber attachments because I have little need for them. I don't spend much money in the game so I end up giving away most of it away and an uber attachment wouldn't really do much for me. If the nyax cave wasn't camped I would go a couple times hoping for a few nice things, particularly a high artisan exp attachment for my friend reelov(shameless plug I know but I'm buying them for him if your on wanderhome)."awee poor poor tavtrin" doesn't help your argument, wasn't much point in saying it. And I don't think you quite get this, people aren't not camping because they think it's to much work. The majority of us wouldn't be happy camping and being selfish, no matter how many "uber attachments" we got. Everyone isn't like you, I could sit there for hours killing nyax every time he spawned andifit meant being selfish I wouldn't get any pleasure out of it.
you've talked about maturity and how you think it applies to people competing for uber loot but what is the maturity level of someone thinking uber loot should easily be aquired. And if uber loot were easily aquired, what would logically happen?
And more to the point why can't you do simple simple simple (not a typo) math. There is one nyax and a whole server. How is a whole server suposed to share one spawn. There are at least 5 thousand players that would come out of the wood work if they didn't have to actually compete for uber loot and they could just have it handed to them.
I'll say it again, How is one server suposed to share one easy static spawn that drops uber loot on a regular basis.
can I say it again cause I know you will somehowtry and avoid the question, How can one server filled with thousands of competitive players share one easy static spawn that drops uber loot regularty?
plz plz just listen to yourself. I am at my minds end trying to explain simple logic. I feel like my words are falling on deaf ears and you're hearing only what you want to hear. You talk all about selflessnes but in actuality what you request is completely selfish.
answer the question.
Message Edited by Deathtonerfhereders on 02-02-2005 09:28 PM
Deathtonerfhereders wrote:
I dont post on this topic much but i just want to answer some of the points you have made on this topic. Let me start of by just saying that i beleive for your time and effort you should receive somthing. Your credits you sprent for mad haxxorz weapons should give you somthing. You should outdamage most players you should get the loot a lot.Even if you got the loot most of the timeother players deserve a shot at getting the loot.
Absolutely right, others do deserve a shot. BUT BY GOD THEY HAVE IT lol. The only things that inhibit others are there time that they are able to play and there effectiveness during the time that they have to play. But that can't be put into the "its not fair" argument because that life. Some can make 20mil in the first week playing, thats just how it is.
So simply yes, we all have a shot.
As it is now a player with Highdamage weapons can outdamage anyone else who wants to get some of the loot. Thats not competition.
Huh? How about you try buying or making a better uber weapon cause thats where the competition starts, it only ends at nyax.
Other players should have some kind of way to outdamage one phat lewt hoor.
They do. They can buy better weapons or gather a bigger group with better weapons. JEEZUZ you just want this crap handed to you. You wanna come in there as a master pistoleer with a 10k fwg5 with base stats and have some option to be able to gain loot rights over someone with a 900+ dmg power hammer. Pfft.
The devs should do somthing about this namely fixing the group loot rights so that the whole group can contribute. If all the elite weapons players banded together to get the loot from Nyax i might be ok with that. But ONE person getting it every time is jsut wrong.
One player? sorry but you have no clue, its usually agroup that shares the loot.
btw read the dev tracker. They just proposed a new group looting system. looks good.
Just to respond to your ideas of sharing : Dont be rediculous you wouldnt be sharing loot with 5000 ppl or the whole server. Youwould only have to share the loot with other masters of combat proffesions.
This is getting rediculous. How many master combatants are there on a friggen server would you say?
There are many ways for the loot to be shared with this community.
LOL go ahead and tell me how one static spawn can be shared with the whole community?
However people arnt really asking you to share yes they are. You dont own the loot.Just because you have the capability to get it doesnt mean its yours. Your time spent with the game and the cost of your elite weapons may be large but that doesnt give you exclusive rights to a POI.
who the hell said I owned it? Where? show me? come on show me? /shakehead you hear only what you want to, pay attention.
This spawn is available to anyone, all you gotta do is out damage everyone and its all yours. . Noone ever said they owned the spawn. You can go there and gain loot rights if you were able.
However what i think you guys should do if you have your elite weapons is not just to camp nyax. You can camp him for an hour or 2 but leave time for the rest of the server to "compete" over it.
What I think you guys should do with your less-than-elite weapons is go find other places to get less-than-elite loot. Stop trying to get uber loot with crappy weapons. Anyone can master a profession and get crappy weapons, not everyone can get uber loot.
Message Edited by Deathtonerfhereders on 02-02-2005 09:45 PM
Message Edited by Alristico on 02-02-2005 10:19 PM
Tavtrin wrote:
Alristico wrote:
you've talked about maturity and how you think it applies to people competing for uber loot but what is the maturity level of someone thinking uber loot should easily be aquired. And if uber loot were easily aquired, what would logically happen?
I am not saying it should be easy, I would have no trouble with nyax being much much harder. Currentlyplayers are way overpowered and "uber loot" is easily gotten. It is basically given to the most selfish person willing to devote time to camping.
What a bunch of double talk. This is what you said, "Sharing means being nice and mature enough to allow others to have/get a try at something when you could keep it. In this case it means allowing others to stroll in and get something possibly worth millions of credits, only being contested by the mobs at the nyax cult poi" You basically said you want others to give you expesive crap for free. Get off it. You are the selfish one, not willing to earn the best loot drop on the server. MAKE FRIENDS WITH UBER PLAYER WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU UBER LOOTFOR DOING NOTHING.
can I say it again cause I know you will somehowtry and avoid the question, How can one server filled with thousands of competitive players share one easy static spawn that drops uber loot regularty?
Very simple if you have done it before and others who haven't or have done it less are there, let them take the spawn. And the whole server not sharing does not mean that you shouldn't. I am not saying that the whole server ever will share, or trying to make a way for them all to do it. What I am saying is that sharing is the good thing to do, and we should all try and do it. Being selfish not justified by the selfishness of others or how hard it would be for everyone to share.
LMFAO I knew you wouldn't answer the question, Ill ask again, How can the whole server share uber loot that comes from one static spawn. EVERONE WANTS UBER LOOT CAUSE ITS UBER AND RARE. Now how the hell are you gunna share rare uber loot with the whole server?
plz plz just listen to yourself. I am at my minds end trying to explain simple logic. I feel like my words are falling on deaf ears and you're hearing only what you want to hear. You talk all about selflessnes but in actuality what you request is completely selfish.
So what you are saying is that me wanting everyone to be able to have a chance at nyax is selfish. And you believe that you killing nyax over and over and not sharing isn't selfish. I hear what you are trying to say, but it doesn't make sense to me. I think our different viewpoints won't really allow us to agree, I don't think whatever you said it would convince me that not sharing/being nice to others is the right thing to do.It would take avery good argument to make me think thatsharing isn't theright thingto do.
EVERYONE DOES HAVE A CHANCE AT NYAX Now stop wanting his uber loot without earning it.
I see you are still trying to win a losing argument....
Please help make the game better. Stop camping with Uber Groups. Just say "No" 
PS I wonder how long till this thread gets locked.....
ObiQuixote wrote:
Would never say that, That would be contrary to my point and is just a plain bad game design.
Jagged-F3l wrote:
ObiQuixote wrote:
I know this is a touchy subject for a lot of people and there is a lot populist threads going around about fairness and all, but there is another side of the story and something you should be aware of, it’s why a lot of us old timers and evil loot campers get upset when we see these threads.
Basically, we already put in our time. We spent the months where we couldn’t get rights on anything. We have already been down the road you are on and learned from it. We have taken the time to level our toons, spent the millions on equipment and did what was needed to be able to compete with those that once kept us from getting loot ourselves. We have learned all the little tips and tricks on how to play the damage game (Actually it’s not as simple as just bigger guns.) All of us campers were once just like you and we put a lot of time and effort into not being at the mercy of people just like us.
To us all these threads say the same thing from our perspective. All the time and effort you spent to be able to do what you can do, it should mean nothing and give you no benefit.
...Next you're going to tell us that "old timers" shouldn't have to earn as much XP to earn a skill...<
The reason I said this is to point out how childish your attitude isconcerning spawn camping. You do not become more special with the time you put into the game. If you want special treatment ingame, then earn the respect and friendship of your fellow players. Where it concerns spawn killing, a player will be more likely to invite you to a group killing the spawn if you earn their respect and friendship, then if you walk around with this chip on your shoulders.
Alristico wrote:
Tavtrin wrote:
Alristico wrote:
What a bunch of double talk. This is what you said, "Sharing means being nice and mature enough to allow others to have/get a try at something when you could keep it. In this case it means allowing others to stroll in and get something possibly worth millions of credits, only being contested by the mobs at the nyax cult poi" You basically said you want others to give you expesive crap for free. Get off it. You are the selfish one, not willing to earn the best loot drop on the server. MAKE FRIENDS WITH UBER PLAYER WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU UBER LOOTFOR DOING NOTHING.
Again I don't want expensive crap for free, what I want is for people not to prevent me from getting the "uber loot" because of my current skill set. Right now if nyax wasn't camped 24/7 by the selfish, it would take me a while to take down nyax. With nyax being camped it is pretty much impossible. I would have no trouble with nyax being made as hard as elders, or for me to have to do a quest to get to him. I don't mind having to earn things ingame, but what I do mind is the selfishness of others. You can play this any way you want, but again all it comes down to is sharing.
can I say it again cause I know you will somehowtry and avoid the question, How can one server filled with thousands of competitive players share one easy static spawn that drops uber loot regularty?
LMFAO I knew you wouldn't answer the question, Ill ask again, How can the whole server share uber loot that comes from one static spawn. EVERONE WANTS UBER LOOT CAUSE ITS UBER AND RARE. Now how the hell are you gunna share rare uber loot with the whole server?
Again, I say this I explained it fine the first time. If someone is at the spawn and there is more than one person there, let the person who has never or attacked less get nyax. That's how you share, let the person who has done it the least have a turn. That is my answer to your question I am not trying to dodge it, youjust seemed to ignore it.
EVERYONE DOES HAVE A CHANCE AT NYAX Now stop wanting his uber loot without earning it.
Yes but because of the campers only those of a very very limited skill set can hope to gain a chance and again. I played this game for months when nyax was spawning and not camped and I only went there 3 or 4 times. I am not saying this because I want "uber loot" without earning it. It seems that you consider making someone earn something as an excuse for your refusal to share and let others attack the spawn, which is kind off odd.
You didn't answer the question, How can the whole server share one uber static spawn?
Also, why are you affraid to compete? Do you know what this game would be like without competition?
Tavtrin wrote:
I want people to share the uber loot and give it to me without earning it. I don't want to have to be the best to get the best, I want to be a noob and get the best. And then when the thousands of others find out that nyax is now being shared and not competed for I want everyone to have equal opportunity to have uber loot. That way everyone can have uber loot without earning and the uber loot wont be uber loot anymore.
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