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Thread: Tag team Spawn Campers....I've had enough.

ObiQuixote
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:39 am
#53

It really sounds like the problem here is really good and consistent loot on something anyone could kill, given no one else gets in the way. So SOE but a big ole prize on something easy to kill.

What guilds are doing is organizing, throwing down the gauntlet and saying if you want it come and get it. The dark trooper base was like this during the holocraze days and the same thing happened, people started upping the ante and grouping to kill things one person could kill with no problem. It became a battle of who could maintain the larger group of people that could be trusted not to ninja loot.

So the solution to this is not found in the EULA or complaining to a CSR but in guilds and your galaxy forums. If they’re organizing to get loot rights then you have to as well. It’s a problem not solved with a bigger gun but with social interaction. Personally I think things like this are great and the competition is a lot of fun win or lose.

Haven’t been there yet and don’t know if the same thing is happening on my server but I hope it is because I can’t wait to put the holo camping group together and bringing the battle to them. Some old friends might come back for something like this. The dark trooper base was a lot of fun in holocraze days when you had two or three groups that could behave like adults while battling it out. Then wait around tell jokes and emote each other to death waiting for the next spawn.

As for SOE providing any fix to this I’ll tell you what it would be, removing the loot. Then there will be one less place for groups to duke it out for loot because some people can't play nice and compete for something without turning it into a b1tch fest.

Alristico
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:56 am
#54

just to add, right now at the nyax spawn there is rediculous competition for uber loot. But in a month it will be tough competition forvery goodloot, and later on it will be spuratically camped for good loot. I think this may be what the devs want.



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Epitaxial
Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:22 pm
#55

Under the current system, there's not much you can do other than to create your own "tag team".


Not surprised to see some of the responses - especially from those who like to base "it's worth a ga-zillion credits" theory on looting and seem to be against any rules that prohibit this. Pretty sad when fake credits are the only thing you seem to care about...


Ah well.. karma will work its way to those who decide to play the game this way...




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PetaByte32
Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:35 pm
#56

I dont know how it is now but several months ago a friend told me I should go make a run through the borgle cave and I could get some hot loot. My plan was to go through it then leave. I knew nothing about spawn times and such back then.


When I got there, there was 5 people all standing by the same loot cases and they just stood there. Nothing else. I left and a few days later came back. Again the same people. Did that again a week later. I finally sent a report in on each player and waited outside.


20 minutes later a CSR showed up and warped everyone out of the cave. A few started to go back in went LD immediately. So the CSRs back then would help to stop this back then.


PB32





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StealthTiger234
Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:45 pm
#57


Liander wrote:


StealthTiger234 wrote:
Liander,
I'm lost to what your problem is. You're overly hostile and not useing common sence.

ObiQuixote,
You seem to be really on the pro camping side. This isn't a topic about what needs to be killed in a group or not, its a topic about ppl camping things ina group, two toally different things. Your "out damage them" stance is IMO a pathedic thing to suggest. As with everything there is a limit to what you can do so what if you can't out damamge them? YOU REPORT THEM DUH!

You two do seem really hostile for ppl that will probably say they don't spawn camp. Your taking this topic really personal. You both need to sit down and have a coke and a smile.

I think i'll take the advice of the person who offered the CSR names. If I see someone camping i'll just report them, simple as that.

I've said everything I think i'll ever need to say in this thread so I probably woun't post in it again.

Thank God. My point is that they say they are going to report us for being at Lord Nyax for periods of time to kill him repeatedly. What I said is that this same person is not reporting the people AFK killing Meatlumps or people that load into the Borgle Bat Cave JUST to loot the debris pile then log back off. So what I see is someone jealous because they can't outdamage me at a POI so they have to revert to trying to get someone banned. So, I am left to say it again.

CRY MORE NOOB!!!!!!!!






No I plan on reporting anyone I see camping. Their a waste of bandwidth and computeing power. They lagg my comp and cause overal performance issues.

As for you. You have a major attitude problem. No one came here bashing you or insulting you but yet you feel you have the right to start name calling. If you can't act like a mature adult you need to be quiet. Everyone thats posted in this thread has managed to voice their opinion without insulting anyone, except you.

It doesn't matter who he wants to be cleared of campers. If he wants Nyx cleared good. He wants Meatlumps cleared good. Campers are campers are campers. Be it their camping Nyx or Meatlumps. Your mad because he doesn't mind ppl camping low lvl low dropping MOBs but wants ppl to stop camping high lvl high payout spawns.

I bet 100 bucks RL that you spawn camp like crazy.

My deff of "Spawn Camping" When you or your guild stay at a certain spawn for more than 3 spawn cycles of high lvl payoffs. Not includeing Krayts, Meatlumps, or Squills. For spawns like the Geo Caves I say more than an hour or 2 in one spot is considered overly camping unless its a low traffic time. Just think of a fair time you should stay, then let someone else have a go.



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Duragoth
Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:14 pm
#58


I made a post that could have the solution for this type of problem, but I don't think there is one perfect solution to this issue. We either contend with Powergamers or PowerLooters, and perhapes the reson SOE hasn't gotten invloved with this issue is the CU might make AA/CA useless (who knows, but it seems like a real problem that isn't being reviewed for some reason)




Anyways heres the post I made that could fix the issue of "Guild Camping"


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Itemsloot&message.id=2901
(sorry about the long cut/paste addy, but I still haven't figured out how to do the CLICKY thing)



Liander
Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:18 pm
#59

ok listen up...i will break this down


1. Don't be mad because I can outdamage you at a spawn point.

2. Don't be mad because I spent millions of credits to be as powerful as I could be in my profession.

3. If you don't want me there, bring a friend or two and outdamage me.

4. You aren't seeing my point. Everyone wants a piece of Nyax because thats where everyone else is. Krayt and Elders have been completely hosed today. So you are left killing Nyax. IF Elders dropped better loot more consistently, then you would not see as many people killing Nyax.




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BobaFettish
Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:09 pm
#60

your a liar. I hunt krayts with a tk using my jedi character. When i run out of force and take a break the tk doesn't do much to a canyon krayt with 60% resist to kinetic and heavy ap. "a few seconds" give me a break.


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I'm not lieing mate!!!


I HAVE seen them do it..!!


Perhaps they were exploiters...., but they did the whole nest in under 5 min.


Perhaps you should go through these boards & look for other posts reguarding this subject, cause there are quite a few.


There are "Uber" TKM's out there & they can Own Kryat spawns..


There was a similar post not too long ago about these two guys & how they were invading other PPLs spawns & taking all the loot.


But anyway, getting on track again..


Nyax is nowhere as tough as a Kryat & any good Master with 1/2 decent equipment can whack him.


So given that these guys were able to kill him & Take his mind pool down in huge chunks at a time, he was gone in a few seconds.


anyone else in the room trying to get in a shot, don't stand a chance..at getting the acctual kill.



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Alristico
Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:31 pm
#61






BobaFettish wrote:

your a liar. I hunt krayts with a tk using my jedi character. When i run out of force and take a break the tk doesn't do much to a canyon krayt with 60% resist to kinetic and heavy ap. "a few seconds" give me a break.


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Perhaps they were exploiters




lol you cant give an example as valid when you think they might have been exploiting. Obviously by saying this you have your own doubts.


You must understand. I am speaking from lots of experience. Besides hunting krayts with tk's, my main is a tkm with 200+ dmg vk's. If those two tk's weren't exploiting then they may have also been combat medics or pikemen with crazy dots.




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Liander
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:11 pm
#62






BobaFettish wrote:

your a liar. I hunt krayts with a tk using my jedi character. When i run out of force and take a break the tk doesn't do much to a canyon krayt with 60% resist to kinetic and heavy ap. "a few seconds" give me a break.


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I'm not lieing mate!!!


I HAVE seen them do it..!!


Perhaps they were exploiters...., but they did the whole nest in under 5 min.


Perhaps you should go through these boards & look for other posts reguarding this subject, cause there are quite a few.


There are "Uber" TKM's out there & they can Own Kryat spawns..


There was a similar post not too long ago about these two guys & how they were invading other PPLs spawns & taking all the loot.


But anyway, getting on track again..


Nyax is nowhere as tough as a Kryat & any good Master with 1/2 decent equipment can whack him.


So given that these guys were able to kill him & Take his mind pool down in huge chunks at a time, he was gone in a few seconds.


anyone else in the room trying to get in a shot, don't stand a chance..at getting the acctual kill.




well...first off...if it came from a nest...it was a kimogila or dragonet spawn, which means A. You were on the wrong planet or B. You don't know what a Krayt is...But either way if it came from a nes then yes i can see thosegoing down in a few seconds if you have the right group for it...so ok...now that i understand that you have NO CLUE what you are talking about i can move on to my next highlighted phrase...uber tkm owning a Krayt spawn....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...get a clue Colonel Clueless...TKM do not do dmg in high enough numbers on a krayt to OWN it as you say. Keep playing the game and when you get a clue...come back here and post some more. KK Thanks Bye

Message Edited by Liander on 01-30-2005 10:17 PM




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Nnekk
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:26 pm
#63

HAHAHAHA!!!!

I really just loved reading the "camper's" excuses/reasons for doing what they are doing. You don't need a definition of "camping"; you don't need it to be explained to you in any other way. Suffice it to say that when you make a whole lot of solo/or less than 4 in a group amount of players complaining about your actions you should take to heart that your actions are indeed real and causing anger and contempt.

No one is "mad" that another person can "out camp" them! HAHA!! They are mad that they are "camping" period. When I read "Just outdamage me/my group and you'll get the loot you deserve." You are really saying, "Go find a larger camping group than I have, then you will get the loot you deserve."

I liken this problem to another problem that has not been cured but has been addressed in society....I'm talking about ticket scalpers/brokers. HAHA!! They like to be called "brokers" because it sounds so much better. They either pay other people to stand in line for them or they set up multiple credit card acccoutns, even using friends and relatives accounts in order to massivley buy as many tickets as possible in a short amount of time. They do this so that that they can turn around and seel that same ticket, at a much higher price, to the person they "outdamaged" on the phone line! This is not fair and it si not right. This practice is now frowned upon in the industry. Many companies who sell tickets for events have put obstacles into place to help prevent such occurances. I hope SOE will follow suit very soon.



Dev's: Can we get the SEA mods that do not work replaced with mods that do? Also, while you're at it, make sure to update the loot table by deleting mods for SEA's that are no longer applicable. Thanks.


Alristico
Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:03 am
#64






Nnekk wrote:
HAHAHAHA!!!!

I really just loved reading the "camper's" excuses/reasons for doing what they are doing. You don't need a definition of "camping"; you don't need it to be explained to you in any other way. Suffice it to say that when you make a whole lot of solo/or less than 4 in a group amount of players complaining about your actions you should take to heart that your actions are indeed real and causing anger and contempt.

No one is "mad" that another person can "out camp" them! HAHA!! They are mad that they are "camping" period. When I read "Just outdamage me/my group and you'll get the loot you deserve." You are really saying, "Go find a larger camping group than I have, then you will get the loot you deserve."

I liken this problem to another problem that has not been cured but has been addressed in society....I'm talking about ticket scalpers/brokers. HAHA!! They like to be called "brokers" because it sounds so much better. They either pay other people to stand in line for them or they set up multiple credit card acccoutns, even using friends and relatives accounts in order to massivley buy as many tickets as possible in a short amount of time. They do this so that that they can turn around and seel that same ticket, at a much higher price, to the person they "outdamaged" on the phone line! This is not fair and it si not right. This practice is now frowned upon in the industry. Many companies who sell tickets for events have put obstacles into place to help prevent such occurances. I hope SOE will follow suit very soon.




I got an idea, why dont we take competition out of the entire loot system like you want. Why don't we let everyone have an equal chance at all the uber loot in the game no matter if they've worked extremely hard to become the best in their profession spending millions to do so or if they're just dabbling in combat and want to do something different while making millions off selling the loot they get in the process. This way you wont have any challenges and everyone will have uber loot which means there wont be any uber loot and consequently nothing to strive for.


sounds to melike you aren'tmuch of acompetitor. If thats true then mmog's are not for you. There are low levels of competition and high levels of competition in this game. Don't take away the high levels just because you can't compete.


frequent static spawn + uber loot = competition like it or leave it.


Face it guys. Its not nyax your after. You wanna be rich and get all the uber loot except you don't want to put the effort in to get to that point.

Message Edited by Alristico on 01-31-2005 02:06 AM



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Koch20
Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:26 am
#65






Alristico wrote:






Nnekk wrote:
HAHAHAHA!!!!

I really just loved reading the "camper's" excuses/reasons for doing what they are doing. You don't need a definition of "camping"; you don't need it to be explained to you in any other way. Suffice it to say that when you make a whole lot of solo/or less than 4 in a group amount of players complaining about your actions you should take to heart that your actions are indeed real and causing anger and contempt.

No one is "mad" that another person can "out camp" them! HAHA!! They are mad that they are "camping" period. When I read "Just outdamage me/my group and you'll get the loot you deserve." You are really saying, "Go find a larger camping group than I have, then you will get the loot you deserve."

I liken this problem to another problem that has not been cured but has been addressed in society....I'm talking about ticket scalpers/brokers. HAHA!! They like to be called "brokers" because it sounds so much better. They either pay other people to stand in line for them or they set up multiple credit card acccoutns, even using friends and relatives accounts in order to massivley buy as many tickets as possible in a short amount of time. They do this so that that they can turn around and seel that same ticket, at a much higher price, to the person they "outdamaged" on the phone line! This is not fair and it si not right. This practice is now frowned upon in the industry. Many companies who sell tickets for events have put obstacles into place to help prevent such occurances. I hope SOE will follow suit very soon.




I got an idea, why dont we take competition out of the entire loot system like you want. Why don't we let everyone have an equal chance at all the uber loot in the game no matter if they've worked extremely hard to become the best in their profession spending millions to do so


Please, you don't have to spend millions to be a master brawler/sword and go out and solo anything. It's not about bieng the best as far as pve, for that it's simply a matter of the right template.


or if they're just dabbling in combat and want to do something different while making millions off selling the loot they get in the process.


No one is gonna make millions from loot if all have access to it. A living yes but no longer the making gagillions of credits for loot. That doesn't sound so bad to me. What are you really gonna do with that much credits? Ebay? You don't need billions to enjoy the game.


This way you wont have any challenges and everyone will have uber loot which means there wont be any uber loot and consequently nothing to strive for.


The one thing I agree with you on. There does need to be uber loot. That incredibly rare stuff that gives you a goal in the game. BUT, it should not be coming from one npc who is perma-camped by whoever has the largest guild.


sounds to melike you aren'tmuch of acompetitor. If thats true then mmog's are not for you.


MMO's are for all players who have different interests. From the casual gaming crafter to the hardcore gaming loot Wh0re. And god bless you crafters cause w/o you I couldn't enjoy doing what I enjoy in game.


There are low levels of competition and high levels of competition in this game. Don't take away the high levels just because you can't compete.


No one is talking about taking away the high levels, only talking about making it so everyone can enjoy this content.


frequent static spawn + uber loot = competition like it or leave it.


It's sad you have this mentallity over a game. It truely show's your greed.


frequent static spawn + uber loot = Share for god sake is such a better thing


Face it guys. Its not nyax your after. You wanna be rich and get all the uber loot except you don't want to put the effort in to get to that point.


To me it sounds like you are describing yourself here. Most of us just want to be able to do something rewarding and then leave with are prize, not hog it all day to make billions which seems to be your attitude


Message Edited by Alristico on 01-31-2005 02:06 AM








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