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Thread: Why I joined the dark side and started camping.
Message Edited by Alristico on 02-06-2005 05:51 PM
Symphony wrote:
Believe me, I understand your point, I just don't agree with it.
If you nerf the macros and people have to be ATK, I don't believe you'll get rid of camping. In fact, I think the people will just shift to almost undetectable 3rd party macros or they'll be ATK camping. Either way, camping will continue. I don't think this is the solution you want.
What this game needs is separate instances for POIs and missions for any group or person who enters. The critters will be the same and you could still see all the other players and such, but when you finish it, there is a separate instance of the loot pile for every group/player. Everyone could still have a chance at the goodies AND there would be more loot in the game. On missions, maybe other players could see the critters, but they couldn't see the spawn site - this way, you don't have players who steal your missions from you. This (IMO) seems like a much better solution.
It would also let both of us play how we like. You could have your sense of accomplishment because you killed Nyax and got your very own +10 tape of whatever and I could sit and loot the borgle caves all day until I finally got the WS tapes I'm looking for. The tapes would be around in such quantities that they would sell for peanuts. This, to me, is the perfect solution.
I didn't really start this thread in an effort to discuss possible solutions, but what do you guys think of this idea? Personally, I like it better than the idea of nerfing macros, but what does everyone else think?
believe me, if you understood my point then you'd agree with it.Lol how can you understand that"it is better for the game environment to not have this as a sanctioned behavior" and not agree with it at the same time? /sighPlz stop dancing around the issue and trying to make excuses cause thats all I see again. Both atk camping and 3rd party programs have nothing to do with the main point which is that afk camping high end loot is not good for the game. Thats not an opinion thats a fact. You are taking away content from people who are actually playing and hording it, weeding out what you want and giving the rest away to friends. Then you say its good for the economy yet the prices are still in the millions.
And if you had a clue about economics you'd know the prices were so high because that is what people will pay, not because the sellers set the price. If they didn't sell then the prices would lower but there are too few attachments and too much need for them for you to make any difference, especially when you give them away to friends or maybe a few to random people.
btw what do you think would happen if the game were flooded with every type of high end loot? No more high end loot. Nothing to strive for after reaching a certain point = dead game. Thank god your not a game developer.
I'm done, your stubborn and illogical.
Symphony wrote:
Instead, I'll summarize our respective viewpoints as I see them. If I got them wrong, then please feel free to correct.
Your viewpoint:
1) AFK camping is wrong. ATK camping is okay, as long as it's not at a major POI
I can only guess you've deliberately missed the key factor...AFK camping is unethical exploiting of a program oversight as you are taking the reward without completing the task. And no,before you try and make the point,this does not mean clearing the cave once, six months ago justifies staying there for eternity. Whether it's a major POI has nothing to do with it. It's about denying other players their rightful rewards.
2) Charging outrageous amounts of credits for loot is fine since you feel you earned the loot
3) ATK camping POIs and AFK camping in general hurt the game.
My viewpoint:
1) Camping is camping - it doesn't matter if it is at the keyboard, or away from it. It doesn't matter where you do it, whether it's meatlumps or Nyax.
AKF Camping requires no effort. Therefore it is lazy; it is cheating. It is robotic. This game is meant to be organic.
2) Camping in all its various methods contributes more loot to the game, making it more widely available to all who want it
3) It is NEVER okay to exploit your fellow gamers. If you don't need or want a particular item, give it to someone who does need it or want it.
You are absolutely exploiting other gamers by denying that novice whobeats the Matriach the chance to loot the site. Suppose he wants a WS tape? Eh? He's done the cave, but you steal the loot. Your behaviour negatively affects his game. You have cheated him.
At this point, none of the objections listed under "your viewpoint" are enough to sway me that my viewpoint is wrong.
I have a feeling that you know your viewpoint's wrong. You just don't want to admit it, until, perhaps,YOU get whatYOU want. And that's what this ultimately is all about. ME ME ME. *I* WANT THIS. *I* NEED THAT.
It's a selfish attitude that sickens me, to be perfectly honest.
Alristico wrote:
believe me, if you understood my point then you'd agree with it.Lol how can you understand that"it is better for the game environment to not have this as a sanctioned behavior" and not agree with it at the same time? /sighPlz stop dancing around the issue and trying to make excuses cause thats all I see again. Both atk camping and 3rd party programs have nothing to do with the main point which is that afk camping high end loot is not good for the game. Thats not an opinion thats a fact. You are taking away content from people who are actually playing and hording it, weeding out what you want and giving the rest away to friends. Then you say its good for the economy yet the prices are still in the millions.
One last thing so I can address this and then I'll move on. I said that I understood your point, but that I didn't agree. I understand that there are those (like yourself) that believe the game is made to be played. You believe there is no reason to play the game unless you are doing something worthwhile. That is you.
Then there is me. There are aspects of this game that I detest - and grinding the xp for various professions is one of them. I do NOT want to be sitting at the keyboard for it if I don't have to. It's not fun or interesting. I want to go out and do the various POIs, kill stuff, etc. but the monsters don't ramp up slowly as you get further away from the newbie cities. You can take a wort mission and someone else can take a mountain squill mission and they can spawn right next to each other. You can group to mitigate some of these dangers, but if you like to solo a lot, then it's dangerous to leave the town alone as a noob - which causes you to kill the same creatures over and over. My God, why would someone want to do this? Apparently, you're okay with it and it's your idea of fun. I understand that you like it, but I don't agree that it's fun.
Message Edited by TheNola on 02-06-2005 09:51 PM
cpz wrote:
Let's not muddy the issue. This isn't about grinding, or camping, or content. This is about afk looting of premium spawn sites, and how it negetively affects other players' game experience.
You are mistaken. This thread is about why I started camping: the outrageous prices various players charge for things in game and how I believe this is wrong. I'm done discussing camping, I believe I've summarized our respective viewpoints and I know that you cannot convince me that camping is wrong, just like I cannot convince you that it's good.
Perhaps you can explain to me why you think it's okay to charge millions for stuff you won't use in the game when there are other players who really need that stuff and can't afford to pay that kind of money for it.
Symphony wrote:
Perhaps you can explain to me why you think it's okay to charge millions for stuff you won't use in the game when there are other players who really need that stuff and can't afford to pay that kind of money for it.
What on Earth has given you the idea that I do that? I've never stated that I do. You assume too much. And the funny thing is, do you know why it is that I've never had a premium attachment? Go on, guess.
That's right - because exploiters like you get them all.You see that coincidence?That's called irony.
The best attachment I ever looted was a Carbine speed +4, and I gave that to a Carbineer guildmate. I gave it to him because I don't play the game with a totally selfish outlook. It's not about me, my needs, my desires, my greed.
The only thing I regularly do is the Geo Caves, and I do that every now and again safe in the knowledge that I deserve the Acklay loot if I kill the Acklay. I have earned the prize. Understand? See that idea? That's called integrity.