Items And Loot Archive

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Emotemaster wrote:

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Tremk_Stryder wrote:

uber weapons would make the guy uber-pvper... this isnt a fps unfortunately..so that would ruin the game..as if it isnt already that way.

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I disagree utterly. The guy is a new player, has no clue how to use the item effectively, but seeing *Legendary item* or some such, assumes he can take on the Jedi down the street. Duels said Jedi (Or any competent PvP player) and gets the DB. Item instantly takes decay. Rinse and repeat, suddenly the item is gone, starting the process over. My point - "uber' items don't equal "uber" ability.

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So new player with uber item doesn't have many specials, doesn't know how to pvp, doesn't have certification for the weapon he loots and goes and DB's all the Jedi and everyone who stands in his way because he has the 'uber weapon' even if he doesn't know squat about how to PvP and rules the galaxy until it gets to 0 condition? .... Sounds ... great... for the new player ... right.. yeah....

Sorry if thats not what you're trying to say, but thats kinda how it looked to me..

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Emotemaster wrote:

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Tremk_Stryder wrote:

uber weapons would make the guy uber-pvper... this isnt a fps unfortunately..so that would ruin the game..as if it isnt already that way.

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I disagree utterly. The guy is a new player, has no clue how to use the item effectively, but seeing *Legendary item* or some such, assumes he can take on the Jedi down the street. Duels said Jedi (Or any competent PvP player) and gets the DB. Item instantly takes decay. Rinse and repeat, suddenly the item is gone, starting the process over. My point - "uber' items don't equal "uber" ability.

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So new player with uber item doesn't have many specials, doesn't know how to pvp, doesn't have certification for the weapon he loots and goes and DB's all the Jedi and everyone who stands in his way because he has the 'uber weapon' even if he doesn't know squat about how to PvP and rules the galaxy until it gets to 0 condition? .... Sounds ... great... for the new player ... right.. yeah....

Sorry if thats not what you're trying to say, but thats kinda how it looked to me..

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Actually, I said the exact reverse. Person has no certs, no ability, but THINKING an Uber weapon makes HIM Uber, he stupidly goes and dies a few times...

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Emotemaster wrote:

Hmm..you said he gets the db. Maybe you meant 'gets DB'd'? They're opposites of each other..

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Mujadaddy wrote:
I love the idea of ACTUALLY having a LEGEND about Legendary Items... good work...oh, wait, you don't actually work for Sony.../curses

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Thank you very much.

SOE, my contact information can be found in my account: i'm waiting to hear from you.

hehe

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Emotemaster wrote:

Hmm..you said he gets the db. Maybe you meant 'gets DB'd'? They're opposites of each other..

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No, I meant what I said, the way it was typed. If you read just the one sentence, your view is correct. However, when you flow through with the next sentence : "Item instantly takes decay. Rinse and repeat, you see that the direction of the DB was TO him, and not FROM him, hence the item taking decay. Terminology however can and does derivate from place to place, case in point: "He's Bad" actual meaning - not good.. Slang meaning, He's good. Intent of meaning was developed in the entire post. I apologize for not making it more clear.

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Phaelyn wrote:

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Gnirak wrote:

one other problem i see you say a new one only spawns when the old one is destroyed, what if a collector gets it and lets it sit on a wall in his house for years.... makes it ever rarer i guess.

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A very good point. But, in the most likely scenario, the item is going to be SO good (Hence Legendary) that said person will eithe use it, or sell it for a Kajillion creds. But, since it IS a possibility - perhaps a work around is giving it a set life as well.

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There is an easy way around that. Make it an IF/THEN. IF the item isn't naturally destroyed within, say, six months, THEN a new one will spawn, allowing two on the server. Then add one final cap of, say, 3 or 5 at one time - once that is reached, none spawn no matter what until one is destroyed.

That gives room to collectors and players, and doesn't make it such an unattainable goal yet still very rare. I mean, even if up to 5 were allowed at a time, the chances of that happening are slim - using a six-month interval, it would take 2.5 years of none getting destroyed to get to that level. Not terribly unbalancing.

I think it wouldn't be nearly as fun if they had some static decay rate or if only one were allowed at a time ever, because the window of looking for one would be so infrequent. Under a system that allowed several at a time, there would always be the possibility (however remote) of finding one, which would be enough to drive many players to an on-going quest to find one, maximizing the potential fun in the idea.

AO

This would have been an excellent way to put mandalorian armor in the game. Everyone would know who found a piece on their server, and they would be instantly recognized due to the uniqueness of the armor. Other pieces of armor could be dropped in a similar manor, mandalorian is just a good example since it already has an existing "legend" around it. And it does not even need to have better stats, make it similar to high end craftable armor, put in different looking guns that have normal stats, but shoot different colored beams, weird clothes, and so on -- so no one has to screen about it being game-breaking.

I want to be the lucky guy on my server that loots a cape!! -- stuff like that would add an interesting twist to loot indeed.

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Sifer2 wrote:

Personally I have always thought Legendary weapons in the SWG was a bad idea. Rare unique loot is fine but not stuff so powerful it can take entire enemy groups to thier knees in PvP. I mean how is that fair? It takes combat away from tactics an bases it more on who has the best stuff. One of the very reasons Combat in SWG sucks so much today. To me high level SWG combat should have always been about Tactics plain an simple. Diverse groups working together to outplay the competetion on a even playing field. One group having access to the +87 Carbine of Legendary Burning throws that out the window. Instead yes lets have rare loot. But lets make it do things such as making the player a bit more unique instead of just way more powerful.

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On the whole, I do agree with you. However, "legendary" weapons already exist in the game, and they aren't even that rare, depending on your server. Mind DOT weapons with high potency and duration abound, and when you combine that with Mind being the least able to be healed in battle = "legendary" effects. Of course, this is going to be "fixed" in the CU.

Of course, the case CAN be made that "legendary" can include a lot of different things, not just damage types or stats. How about an utterly normal set of VKs - That happen to automatically max the users accuracy? Or automatically max their user's defensive stats?

But my last question is this - Seems to me Tactics are a small part of the game as is today.. How would you, in the state of game today with CA, AA and weapon loots that make an individual more powerful, and essentially a killing PvP machine - Make the game more Tactics based?

Message Edited by LogicAudio on 01-30-2005 10:39 AM

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Milgram wrote:

Umm... ...have you seen some of the exceptional/legendary weapons? A mythos defenently developes around them.

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