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Thread: Imperial Smugglers
maloso
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:43 am
#40
I would agree 100% Why would you need a smuggler in a rebel guild/ gwc type base? I guess it makes since to have a smuggler to move things past imperals. However where would it come from. Makes more sense to have a smuggler inside the imperal army as then they would have a risk to take and be inside like a spy of some type. Don't get me wrong I'm by no way a spy. I got smuggler in fact so I could help destroy Rebel bases( if there were any). I would ot be a smuggler if I were to switch sides whick isn't very likely since I left my guild because they went reb. The point of being a reb I would think is to kill imps point of being a imp is to hold down cities from these rats and keep them in the darkness. Why would we not want a smuggler to be the darker side of the galaxies corruption? I like smuggler but if the revamp isn't a complete turn around I'm dropping.
Maloso
TKM Pistoleer Smuggler
killing a reb near you !!!
Smug-Druggler
Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:57 pm
#41
WedgeStarkiller wrote:
Certain parties with enough credits can get authentic imperial equipment and other perks like troop support or bases thanks to my man in the supply office. I also have an officer in personnel on the payroll if someone wants to get a promotion before they would normally be ready for one.
Nice meshing of Roleplay to the skillset, Wedge.
/applaud
MaceDial
Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:58 pm
#42
I'm gonna stick with the idea that most smugglers should probably actually neutral. I understand if you are a smuggler who believes the evil empire should be wiped out or if the Rebellion is costing the countless lives with their war effort. But, if you're a smuggler for the money you need the Galactic Civil War to continue. You don't need the Empire to win because then you most likely will be out of a job. And for these reasons:
If the Empire Wins-
If you were employed by the Empire they won't needyou anymore.
If you were employed by the Rebellion, the war is over.
The need for such weapons and armor will be significantly less.
With no rebellion to take resources from the Empire, who do you think they're gonna crack down on?
If the Rebellion wins:
If you were smuggled for the Rebellion, they won't need you anymore.
If you worked for the Empire you're company and its perks has gone down the tubes.
There won't be as many laws concerning the use of certain weapons, armors and spice because the lawmakers are not in power. As such, there is far less reason to hire someone you can do yourself.
The need for such weapons and armor will be significantly less.
Basically, if you're a smuggler and you want to keep your job, you need the Empire and Rebels to keep duking it out.
MaceDial
KaernLegorah
Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:32 pm
#43
I'm in green
MaceDial wrote:
I'm gonna stick with the idea that most smugglers should probably actually neutral. I understand if you are a smuggler who believes the evil empire should be wiped out or if the Rebellion is costing the countless lives with their war effort. But, if you're a smuggler for the money you need the Galactic Civil War to continue. You don't need the Empire to win because then you most likely will be out of a job. And for these reasons:
If the Empire Wins-
If you were employed by the Empire they won't needyou anymore.
You're still an ImperialOfficer, who might have been doing Smuggling in the side for extra profit and adventure.If you're still an officer, then you've still got a job. Smuggler may be your profession title in the game, but it doesn't have to be your main job in Roleplayingterms.
If you were employed by the Rebellion, the war is over.
And you're either dead or in prison, don't forget that
The need for such weapons and armor will be significantly less.
Weapons and armor aren't the only thing that needs to be smuggled around the Galaxy, and since the Empire won the war they can be even more strict with their laws making even more things illegal.
With no rebellion to take resources from the Empire, who do you think they're gonna crack down on?
If you work for the Empire, why do you care who they crack down on? As I said before, you could be an Imperial officer just smuggling on the side for extra profit and adventure. You're still employed by the Empire, and your rank (assuming you're smart enough to gain lots of it) will ensure you just get a slap on the wrist.
If the Rebellion wins:
If you were smuggled for the Rebellion, they won't need you anymore.
Just because the Rebellion wins doesn't mean the Rebels no longer need supplies, and it doesn't mean that all of their supply problems will instantly disappear. They need people with connections; connections that you have. They still need you, just as much as when the war was raging.
If you worked for the Empire you're company and its perks has gone down the tubes.
If you're a smart Smuggler you'll make yourself scarce and hide all affiliations you had with the Empire. Then go hang out with your Smuggling connections. Your life just got a little tougher, but it's not over yet.
There won't be as many laws concerning the use of certain weapons, armors and spice because the lawmakers are not in power. As such, there is far less reason to hire someone you can do yourself.
The need for such weapons and armor will be significantly less.
Isn't this just repeating the point about fewer laws? I mean, not directly repeating it, but ultimately the two statements have the same meaning.
Basically, if you're a smuggler and you want to keep your job, you need the Empire and Rebels to keep duking it out.
I agree that it would be beneficial to you for them to keep fighting but just because the war ends doesn't mean you're out of work. You just have to get a bit more creative that's all
KaernLegorah
Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:41 pm
#44
Overall there is no right or wrong way to play your Smuggler. If you want to be Neutral, then there's plenty of ways to be part of an illegal underground. If you want to be a Rebel, there's plenty of reasons for a Smuggler to work with the Rebellion. If you want to be an Imperial, there's plenty of reasons an Imperial officer would take part in illegal activities OR that a Smuggler would join the Empire for personal gain.
No matter where your affiliation lies, there is always a logical reason that you could be there. Saying that Smugglers belong as Neutrals and Rebels only is only looking at one side of a twenty-sided die.
There are dozens of reasons that a Smuggler would join the Empire, or that an Imperial officer would partake in Smuggling. Yes, it is much easier to roleplay a Neutral or Rebel Smuggler, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to roleplay an Imperial Smuggler.
Just because you personally want to be a Rebel or Neutral Smuggler and can't think of any good reason for there to be an Imperial Smuggler doesn't mean that no reasons at all exist. It just means you haven't thought of any good reasons yet, but obviously other people have, so don't try to tell them how to play the game.
If they want to be oppressive Imperial scumbags and taint the good name of Smugglers then so be it! (Just kidding, I'm a Rebel so I had to throw that in at the end hehe 
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MaceDial
Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:49 pm
#45
KaernLegorah wrote:
I'm in green
I'll stay in this orangy crappy color--MaceDial
MaceDial wrote:
If the Empire Wins-
If you were employed by the Empire they won't needyou anymore.
You're still an ImperialOfficer, who might have been doing Smuggling in the side for extra profit and adventure.If you're still an officer, then you've still got a job. Smuggler may be your profession title in the game, but it doesn't have to be your main job in Roleplayingterms.
That may be true, but if you want to roleplay as an Imperial military officer and not a Smuggler, you probablywould probably be better suitedbeing a carbineer, rifleman, squad leader, something like that.
If you were employed by the Rebellion, the war is over.
And you're either dead or in prison, don't forget that
Not always the case. Not all the Rebels will be executed or killed after the war. There simply aren't the prisons or the time to do it. Look at the American Civil War. General Lee wasn't even put in prison.
The need for such weapons and armor will be significantly less.
Weapons and armor aren't the only thing that needs to be smuggled around the Galaxy, and since the Empire won the war they can be even more strict with their laws making even more things illegal.
I agree to the extent the Empire will have tighter control and perhaps create banning more things, but for a smuggler who has grown up learning how to slice weapons and armor, it will severely hurt the income of that income until he figures out what the people want and need...Also, arms and armors sell for more than almost every other contraband item...both in game and in RL. If there is no need for these items, the smuggler's cash flow is hurt.
With no rebellion to take resources from the Empire, who do you think they're gonna crack down on?
If you work for the Empire, why do you care who they crack down on? As I said before, you could be an Imperial officer just smuggling on the side for extra profit and adventure. You're still employed by the Empire, and your rank (assuming you're smart enough to gain lots of it) will ensure you just get a slap on the wrist.
If you work for the Empire and the Empire wins, they won't be needing as many smugglers or they may fire all smugglers altogether. I don't think the Empire is going to spend money when they don't have to.
If the Rebellion wins:
If you smuggled for the Rebellion, they won't need you anymore.
Just because the Rebellion wins doesn't mean the Rebels no longer need supplies, and it doesn't mean that all of their supply problems will instantly disappear. They need people with connections; connections that you have. They still need you, just as much as when the war was raging.
It is important to understand the Rebellion is not fighting to become one big unified soveriegn government. If the Rebellion wins they will branch off into smaller different governments. The Rebellion will no longer be Rebels, they will be Patriots for their new countries. Then of course, at least for a little while, it will be perfectly legal to sell these weapons and armors to their citizens as to fend off an attack from another government that has been born of a Rebel victory. If it is legal to sell these sliced weapons and armors, you may still have a job as a slicer, but not as a smuggler.
If you worked for the Empire you're company and its perks has gone down the tubes.
If you're a smart Smuggler you'll make yourself scarce and hide all affiliations you had with the Empire. Then go hang out with your Smuggling connections. Your life just got a little tougher, but it's not over yet.
While this may be true and a viable option for a former Imperical smuggler in the event of a Rebel victory, it is awful chancy. If one Rebel or neutral smuggler found out your true identity during the Galactic Civil War, your reputation is toast and good luck finding a job.
There won't be as many laws concerning the use of certain weapons, armors and spice because the lawmakers are not in power. As such, there is far less reason to hire someone you can do yourself.
The need for such weapons and armor will be significantly less.
Isn't this just repeating the point about fewer laws? I mean, not directly repeating it, but ultimately the two statements have the same meaning.
Yes, but before I was refering to those who smuggled for the Rebellion. Here I am stating that if your neutral, you probably don't want the Empire to go down either. It leads to the last point below.
Basically, if you're a smuggler and you want to keep your job, you need the Empire and Rebels to keep duking it out.
I agree that it would be beneficial to you for them to keep fighting but just because the war ends doesn't mean you're out of work. You just have to get a bit more creative that's all
MaceDial
KaernLegorah
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:29 pm
#46
It's gonna take me a bit to read that MaceDial. The colors are totally messing with my eyeballs right now
Silo
Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:09 am
#47
Imperial smuggler here as well. Smuggler != rebel/neutral. When I'm talking to Darth Vader, I'm an Imperial. When I'm talking to Jabba, I'm a smuggler with Imperial connections. My first loyalties are to the local syndicates and I use my Imperial connections to provide information to the syndicates.
-Obe
Master Smuggler (account still in Limbo whilst I await the Revamp)
-Obe
Master Smuggler (account still in Limbo whilst I await the Revamp)
Seawolvz25
Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:23 am
#48
Smugglers are people who play BOTH sides of the fence, hence our ability to purchase faction points from either the rebellion or the empire. Which faction a smuggler chooses to affliliate himself with ALL the time shouldn't matter, maybe hes with that faction to gain acccess to important info that he could sell to the opposite faction, oh hey, wait a minute, theres a thought! Talk to any recruiter and he'll ask you himself what kinda dirt you have............
A smart smuggler would affiliate himself with the side with the most perks, less chance of discovery and that means less chance of busts which translates into more profit...........
Frans_Solo
Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:41 am
#49
Its just as illegal to be a rebel and smuggle items too. You think the Old Republic was all for drugs and illegally hopped up weapons? You think that Rebel field marshal is going to be happy about you taking Muon Gold right before a fight? The Rebels are a government too, they just are called rebels because they are fighting against the government in power at the moment.
Also, every government has people on the inside doing illegal activities. Try not to be so naive! Jeez!
Also, every government has people on the inside doing illegal activities. Try not to be so naive! Jeez!
MaceDial
Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:26 am
#50
Frans_Solo wrote:
Its just as illegal to be a rebel and smuggle items too. You think the Old Republic was all for drugs and illegally hopped up weapons? You think that Rebel field marshal is going to be happy about you taking Muon Gold right before a fight? The Rebels are a government too, they just are called rebels because they are fighting against the government in power at the moment.
Also, every government has people on the inside doing illegal activities. Try not to be so naive! Jeez!
I may be wrong, but I don't think the Rebellion is a government. I was under the impression that the Rebellion was a lot of home planets or systems or organizations that wanted to end the overbearing power of the Empire. The movies don't really go into much after the fall of the Empire, but I thought every planet would rule themselves as sovereign after the Empire collapsed. If that is the case they probably would not only allow the sell of the weapons and armor, they would probably find a way to regulate the sell...at least for a while. The Empire has decimated the armies of each world and taken their military surpluses. These countries which now will need to be building an army will take any weapons they can get....the more "hopped up" the better.
I also think we're assuming all the worlds that make up the Rebellion are made up of good folks. Remember that Empire controlled everyoneit could...good and evil alike. I'm sure there were many planets and systems made up of warring planets and species that would be free to build armies to try to conquer themselves, especially in the wake of a successful rebellion.
MaceDial
SpecOps69
Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:47 am
#51
Another take here....
I am an Imperial smuggler. Why? Not because I'm a loyal Imperial citizen. Not because I am a double agent or some special field op that works with the criminal underworld. Why then?
Because it's better to be the right hand of the devil than in his path. The Empire is the law. The Empire is corrupt. And it's all because of people like me. I "use" the system, not fight against it. I exploit the loop-holes, blackmail superiors, abuse my authority....all in the name of profit....for me
I used to be a rebel because that seemed the most likely way to turn a cred. The rebs needed things...things the Empire would not have liked them to have, so it seemed the rebs cause was my cause. But the real money is on the other side.
Now, I have the backing of the largest military organization in the galaxy at my disposal. If a superior catches on...I grease a few palms. That doesn't work, that superior meets with an unfortunate accident. Sure, I still deal with rebels, why not? Money is money. Plus, if theyare thinking ofstiffing me mypayment, they'll think twice or they might just have an imperial strike team knocking down thier door. Again, something that is good for me (always good to your senior officer that you're doing your part to rid the galazy of those dirty rebs).
Yeah, there's a risk playing this role, but it's a smaller one. Think about it. If I was a reb, I'd be dead if I was caught. At least this way, there's a good chance I can cut a deal
Jaeza Marin Dax
Master Smuggler/Master Pistoleer/Teras Kasi Master
Proud Imperial Officer....unless you pay me enough to lose the uniform and look the other way
Kettemoor
Frans_Solo
Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:58 am
#52
MaceDial wrote:
Frans_Solo wrote:
Its just as illegal to be a rebel and smuggle items too. You think the Old Republic was all for drugs and illegally hopped up weapons? You think that Rebel field marshal is going to be happy about you taking Muon Gold right before a fight? The Rebels are a government too, they just are called rebels because they are fighting against the government in power at the moment.
Also, every government has people on the inside doing illegal activities. Try not to be so naive! Jeez!I may be wrong, but I don't think the Rebellion is a government. I was under the impression that the Rebellion was a lot of home planets or systems or organizations that wanted to end the overbearing power of the Empire. The movies don't really go into much after the fall of the Empire, but I thought every planet would rule themselves as sovereign after the Empire collapsed. If that is the case they probably would not only allow the sell of the weapons and armor, they would probably find a way to regulate the sell...at least for a while. The Empire has decimated the armies of each world and taken their military surpluses. These countries which now will need to be building an army will take any weapons they can get....the more "hopped up" the better.I also think we're assuming all the worlds that make up the Rebellion are made up of good folks. Remember that Empire controlled everyoneit could...good and evil alike. I'm sure there were many planets and systems made up of warring planets and species that would be free to build armies to try to conquer themselves, especially in the wake of a successful rebellion.MaceDial
The Rebellion is comprised of remnants of the Old Republic that did not submit to Chancellor Palpatine's rule. At the time of this movie it was not a government over anything, however after the events of RoTJ the Republic came back into power over many (but not all planets)
The point is, while it was "ragtag" and tiny, it was very organized with an extensive spynetwork and typical military rank system. It wasn't just a bunch of wild boys doing whatever they wanted. There was order, a command, generals, etc. I can guarantee, that new republic would have the same stance as the old republic, and not allow illegal drugs and tampered weapons to be sold freely.