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Rhadamanth

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:23 am

here is the situation on Radiant - for a long time the best buff packs that could be made were around 830-850 power and the average price per pack was around 7000 credits. back then avian meat might cost the doctor40-50 cpu and most other components could be purchased inexpensively. that was about 3 months ago.

just recently we had a shift of avian meat that was 930/995, Reactive Gas that was 1000 OQ and Dolovite iron that was 994 OQ. doctors with 12 experimentation points (as far as i know only myself and one other doctor on radiant) can make packsthat are940 power, 9700 duration with about 25 charges. i can also sacrifice a bit of power and make 930/9700 packs with 30 charges (preferable imho). heres the problem: the price of the avian meat (largely due to its high stats and subsequent high demand) shot up to 120 cpu, in some cases even higher. in fact almost ALL med resources starting going up in price. we also have not seen a pseudo, semi, half decent, mediochre shift of lok wheat in a VERY long time (best stuff we saw in months was the shift before current, around 400 OQ and 300 PE, i kid you not. the previous shift before that was 30 OQ.current shift is 500something OQ and 70 PE). so old Lok Wheat that remotely resembles anything good sells for around 25-30 cpu.

without really doing the math and thinking about the cost, i initially pricedthese newenhance packs at 9K (still a 2K price increases over previous standards). then i saw this other doc selling them for 20-22K, and that caused me to wonder. i added up the total cost of resources used in a single pack (including opportunity cost of resources i harvested myself) and the sum total came to about 6000 credits per pack. i was making only 50% of my cost in profits.

anyhow, what do you guys think? what are typical prices for enhances on your server? what do you think of the situation on Radiant? how much should i charge for these packs? thanks for the input.

TwilightScout

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:45 am

#2

They go for 8-10k on my server (Chimaera) but this is still a young server. There's only a few docs selling enhance packs in volume here (two, including me, I believe). Meats are still somewhat affordable here. Personally I rarely buy resources (besides meat that is) so my resource costs are pretty manageable.

Although I haven't done the math either.

Kynin

Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:21 am

#3

well i disagree, the reason the economy is so scrwed up IMO(and i strees this) is the fact that its a free market in the first place, all everyone ask now a days is what should i charge what should i charge? and rightly so who the hell knows the prices vary soo much its mind boggling

personally i see packs on auction on bria one justt sold for 50k a pack other ones around the same heal as the ones in this thread sold for 23k yet i have trouble selling 739/22/8970 for 14632???

all people respect is numbers it seems, if you have a pack thats last almost 1/4 to 1/2 as much longer as a stronger base pack the stronger base pack will sell first all the time, if i put mine up for auciton they would sell for some ridiculous price as well because its an 'auciton' ooooooowwwww ahhhhhh

i just use power *med use* charges as a % for d's and i thinks thats fair considering most are gonna charge 10-12k for a buff.

lately its getting boring crafting as there is no real competition, i can make a 457/32 stim b and sell out np but whats the point when buddy two planets over makes a 403/35 and sells it for 800 as opposed to my charge X heal /10 .

there is no cometative edge just who can gouge the most and who can undercut the most those in the reasonable middle remain relatively unknown due to the very fact they are 'reasonable' kinda hard to see the middle when theres such a contrast between the edges

like i said its just my opinion but i like when someone takes the time to work out a reasonable formula instead of throwing arbitrary numbers out or charging what the market will bare, it would be a lot more fun to compete with someone using the same pricing formulas IMO but swg is a free market and thats ok too i guess as it wont change anytime soon

kparton

Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:32 am

#4

Componants are usually around the same price for the same quality, so they call cost near enought the same after manufacture, its the next phase that **edit**s everything up, the added profit sellers add to thier items, it really pisses me off.

But your right about the econnomy tho, its too late, the damage has been done already everyone cant just start charging for minimal profit cause we would all suffer as a result.

I personally am not going to follow suite, I'm going to run a respectful business selling my Stims, Enhance Stims and Bio Pets at prices thats include a small profit.

Thats the difference between something being a good deal and being Extortonate.

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Rhadamanth

Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:58 am

#5

wow, i really didn't expect to get flamed just for asking for some pricing advice. i am well aware i could price this however i want. i also know i could price these at 20K per pack and sell them out. but it's not my desire to make the most money i possibly can. i want to make some money AND seem to have fair and reasonable prices. this is where PUBLIC EXPECTATION comes in. thanks anyway.

kparton

Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:26 am

#6

What flaming??

I hope you dont think I was flaming because I wasen't. Im a Novice Doctor, im i nthe same boat as you, im not going to flame you, you just need to do whats right for you, not what everyone else is doing.

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makhina

Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:25 am

#7

Well I make packs for my personal use (buffing me and mine) and simply will not sell the packs or the buffs even. period. anvian, herbivour, class 4, dolovite, reactive gas, lokian wheat...the list just goes on and on. no server has current shift of everything you need...and even if it did you need the *&^&%$ meats which are a pain to get.

the best in spawn anvian meat on eclipse is selling for 150 cpu. absurd.

I can make a 33 x 341 b stim without meats, using 2nd or 3rd best stuff from my inventory. at 1.5k each on the bazaar, they never sit there for more than a day.

my enhance packs, not good ones, right around 790 power, 11,500 duration, 27 charge 92 use. the work that goes into them, in comparison to the work that goes into the stim b's... 1k per charge? but I wont sell them even if some one was willing to pay that much.

Marrow1

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:36 pm

#8

I never sell buff packs. Way to much of a pain to make. The profit margin on stims is much higher and the resouces are much easier to get in bulk.

Save your uber stuff to make enough buff packs to keep you and your friends buffed and to buff others for cash when needed. You will make tons more cash selling buffs than buff packs. Selling buff packs only makes about 2x at best on your investment which leaves little for your time.

Here are some numbers to think about.

At 20 cpu for all resources the cost of a pack is about 5k. Lets say you sell it for 10k. So you made 5k.

Now lets say the pack has 25 uses. Each use you charge 1k. So the pack is worth 25k. So you make 20k.

Since you only need to sell 1/4 the number of buffs than buff packs to make the same cash you use fewer resurces and have more time to do other things.

The only way this reverses itself is if you can make a big factory run of your buff packs. There are two key issues here.

1. Hard to get large stacks of avian.

2. Not enough of a market for buff packs to sell large volumes. Far more buffies than buffers.

Just my thoughts.

Marrow

PS.

Hunting avian is soooo time consuming. I dont blame anyone for selling it for 100+ cpu. Think about how long it takes to gather 1k of avian.

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Cailid010

Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:53 pm

#9

Marrow1 wrote:

PS.

Hunting avian is soooo time consuming. I dont blame anyone for selling it for 100+ cpu. Think about how long it takes to gather 1k of avian.

Depending on your profession and what your hunting, not very long at all. Even killing kaadu for 20 meat each I can get 1k in about half an hour.

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SaneTempered

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:31 pm

#10

I am also from chimaera, master doc, i don't make enhance packs atm, but i find 9k quite cheap, as you can buff round ~28 people with it depending on packs and gain like 110k++ profit in couple of minutes if u sell buffs for 6k to people... it's really not bad

The typical ones atm most common on chimaera are 851 power and 29 charge ones i get my hands on atm. Seen some 900 power ones that cost 12k too..

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kparton

Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:39 pm

#11

I really dont understand why peeps have such a problem working out how much to charge for what they are selling.

You made it, you know how much the componants cost, you know how much it cost to manufacture, add a little more for profit. Voila!

this will give you a base cost, then go find other venders and compare.

If Other doctors are charging more than you for the same equivalent then still charge less, it doesnt matter aslong as you make a profit, just depends on on how much a profit you need.

I know doctors that charge loads extra for profit and they still sell them, whilst Other doctors I know keep the profit margin low so they get more business. But this leads to bitching between the Medical Community....

....But as long as you are making a profit, no matter how small or Large, is the main thing.

This is what keeps the economy working people.

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Nema0879

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:53 pm

#12

Cailid010 wrote:

Marrow1 wrote:

PS.

Hunting avian is soooo time consuming. I dont blame anyone for selling it for 100+ cpu. Think about how long it takes to gather 1k of avian.

Depending on your profession and what your hunting, not very long at all. Even killing kaadu for 20 meat each I can get 1k in about half an hour.

exactly .... even with novice scout and some of the new +creature harvesting food .... veghash I got about 1200 avian meat in about an hour from kaduus.... it's annoying, yes. It's boring, yes. But it is not worth anything over 30 cpu imho ... but that's on farstar ... a new(ish) server

as for prices on enh. packs I had mine at 8k for 700-800 power and 10k for those over 800 power and i couldn't stay stocked - twas rather annoying so i raised prices to 10k/12k and am quite happy here ... might go back down to 9k/11k but we'll see how sales go as this change was just made this week .... It's all about supply and demand ... I'm only one of 2 suppliers on farstar - I wish there were more though

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JasonK

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:35 pm

#13

Nema0879 wrote:

Cailid010 wrote:

Marrow1 wrote:

PS.

Hunting avian is soooo time consuming. I dont blame anyone for selling it for 100+ cpu. Think about how long it takes to gather 1k of avian.

Depending on your profession and what your hunting, not very long at all. Even killing kaadu for 20 meat each I can get 1k in about half an hour.

exactly .... even with novice scout and some of the new +creature harvesting food .... veghash I got about 1200 avian meat in about an hour from kaduus.... it's annoying, yes. It's boring, yes. But it is not worth anything over 30 cpu imho ... but that's on farstar ... a new(ish) server

Depends on the planet too. Kettemoor's got good avian on Tatooine now, bad planet for gathering in mass quantities since only nunas have it.

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