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Serpentkaa

Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:30 am

Ok. I have heard comments about free economy, that th ehighest bidder takes all and am still finding that this is crap. This is a game. The economy is already fixed to a patternby the fact we have limited ability to create new markets and items to sell. It is only those predetermineditems that can be tweaked to change the economy. We can't make new items unless the devs introduce them. We can't even truely change the items we are given except within certain parameters. A free economy relies on innovation. Point of fact is this Avian meat - if it was a true economy the prices alone would suggest that someone would find a better and more creative device/method etc to harvest large amounts of this meat. Eventually this device woudl be come more common and the economy slowly evens out again. However, we are fixed at the hunting methods we have now so we are NOT in a free economy but one restricted to certain parameters.

One Dr started out by asking on the first few days for all the avain meat he could handle. He asked 200 cpu. And I just saw a post about him not being able to buy more. The shift is not even over and the price has remained at 200 cpu despite the fact that I have contacts with many drs unwilling ot pay that price. However, the hunters (except for Frederick and his merry band of men who are actually setting fair prices to the general public) are now expecting to get 200+ cpu period.

I am pretty much disgusted by this. 200 cpu for ANY inshift meat is seriously imbalancing something. Does anyone remember a few years back when you could buy a gallon of gas cheaper than a 20oz coke in the South? Does anyone remember what happened afterwards? Any serious imbalance like this screws the economy more.

I guess I am just frustrated and venting. Our greed on the Eclipse server and the fact that a lot of people are SERIOUSLY charging outrageous prices will eventually drive up prices on everything. We are driving the inflation each time we go crazy and decide somethign is SO important to have RIGHT now that we will pay ANYTHING to have it.

When are we going to learn it's not just the devs that are responsible for the game economy but us as players too. I don't expect other drs to stop paying those prices. I really don't expect much at all but flaming and people tellign me where I am wrong about my reasoning.I do understand human nature is competitive but arent we supposed to be enjoying this game together? It's not a MMORPG if there are just a few people left on each server because the game finally burned everyone out due to nerfs, bugs and yes..now our own actions.

/end incoherent ranting, emotional outburst and frustration

Deadbeat99

Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:17 am

#2

dude, the meat is being dropped by nunas and kaadu! buff yourself, get one of them new fangled combat droids and go get some yourself if you dont want to pay.

PhoreverAPhan

Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:34 am

#3

Deadbeat99 wrote:
dude, the meat is being dropped by nunas and kaadu! buff yourself, get one of them new fangled combat droids and go get some yourself if you dont want to pay.

yep, i've been hunting on naboo for a couple days now....why pay outrages prices when you can go kill stuff and get it for free?

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Marrow1

Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:46 am

#4

Sure the price of avian is very high on every server. It is without question the highest per unit resouces out there. It is also the hardest to collect.

Why bash the high price? At 200 cpu this adds 5600 cr to the cost of a pack. Assuming herb cost about 25 cpu this addes about 800 cr. The other resouces can be gotten yourself with ease using harvestor so lets just say they added up to 1.1k. That makes a pack cost you about 7.5k to make.

That pack has about 30 ish charges.

I assume that your server has a base of 10k per buff set? If the meat is that high then the buffs are most likely inflated as well. To make the math easy lest say its 1.5k per stat. The buff pack is now worth about 45k.

Your investment of 7.5k returned 45k assuming you use the buffs yourself.

If you sell the pack then just pass on the added cost and keep your profit margin the same.

Now the key cost not added up above is your time. Time is the most valuable item in the game. The most time consuming thing in making a buff pack it collecting the avian. So if someone is going to take their time to save you a ton of time why not pay them well?

I suspect that if you use cr/hr as the yardstick then I suspect that the hunter is not making that much more per hour than the Doc. To keep the economy balance like you suggest then it seems fitting that a person hunting for cash should make the same per hour as someone making buffs for cash.

There is a reason a doc charges a ton for buffs: Buffing for cash is the most boring thing a doc can do. There is a reason avian is the most expensive meat in the game: Hunting for avian is the most boring thing to hunt in the game.

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JasonK

Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:50 am

#5

There was some Tatooine Avian on Kettemoor that sold for 500cpu.

If you don't like the price go out and harvest your own. If you know it's worth 200cpu and it's not worth your own time to go harvest it why would you expect it to be worthsomebody else'stime to harvest it?

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AnnnThrax

Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:24 pm

#6

"Our greed on the Eclipse server and the fact that a lot of people are SERIOUSLY charging outrageous prices will eventually drive up prices on everything. We are driving the inflation each time we go crazy and decide somethign is SO important to have RIGHT now that we will pay ANYTHING to have it."

How about discussing the prices for Bivoli, anything above +20? Average price for +20 or higher in a crate of 25, with 2 uses per is 250,000 credits! That's 50 uses for 250k, or to put it in perspective, it's going for 2,500 per unit! So chunk on an additional 5,000 credits per two sets of buffs (figuring you can buff two people for the duration of one bivoli) docs are going to start chraging for their buffs. And with the new buff change/nerf (however you view it) Bivoli has become almost critical to have. I'm sorry, but the price of food/drinks is more insane than the price of avian meat...

Songe

Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:25 pm

#7

I agree... I've stopped selling enhance packs just because getting the avian meat is a real pain and I don't want to pay 100+cpu for it, just to see people complain about the price of my buff packs afterwards... No thanks. But I understand why people would charge 100 cpu for it really, in the time it takes to get 1k of it you could run 20k missions on Dantooine without being aggravated lol.

Message Edited by Songe on 03-17-2004 02:26 PM

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Songe

Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:28 pm

#8

Well bivoli requires meat to make... the good ones require chef enhancements that also require meat. There you go.

And that's not helping us... Chefs and BEs pay a lot for good meat, which often drops in much bigger quantities than Avian, so you have to pay a lot for avian just to have hunters decide to help you instead of them.

Message Edited by Songe on 03-17-2004 02:29 PM

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AnnnThrax

Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:37 pm

#9

Maybe instead of, or in addition to, combat balancing, the devs can work out some kind of "harvesting balancing". Why is it that a teeny little quenker (or insert any other relatively small animal here) will drop 10 times the amount of meat that a large avian animal will? I mean come on, a giant peko peko drops 20 units? A kaadu trampler (or whatever that thing is called) drops 17 units?! A regular kaadu adult male drops 15 units? Something is a little skewed here methinks...

Songe

Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:42 pm

#10

Massive gnorts drop the same amount of meat as gnorts... Beat that.

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Flynn_Nomad

Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:29 pm

#11

atimes wrote:

When you take people with no sense of economics and hand them a game saying "you create an economy" inflation is bound to happen. A guy with a ton of money says "I'll pay 200cpu" because they want it and they want to be the only ones to get it.

The devs tried to address this in the last patch. Their efforts were noble buttheir methods weren't the best.

I was and still am against the changes that were reverted but I do agree with the devs that something needs to be done about the amount of inflation that is on every server.

Message Edited by atimes on 03-17-2004 03:55 PM

Sorry, what did they do to try and fix it?

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DarthBlade

Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:50 pm

#12

I myself harvest all my own resources. Meats, plants, minerals, and gasses. All of em. I refuse to pay outlandish prices for such things. For one thing, I could never ever afford to pay 1 million credits for a small resource stack. After playing EQ for over 4 years and seeing the economy go to crap due to exploits and dupes, its sad to see the same thing happening on this game now too.

The Devs reacted too slowly to cash and resource dupes. Now servers are flooded with credits, and as long as the large money flow is out there, people will be willing to pay insane prices because they can afford it, thus keeping prices higher. Why would someone sell for less to regular player A when joe exploiter duper is willing to pay 100 times more? Sad but true.

Get novice scout and harvest your own meat. Its actually fun once theres a shift on a decent planet like Dathomir. Then you can make decent cash, have a half way interesting battle, and gather your own supplies. Killing kaadu all day long can be dull, but its a heck of alot better than a Tatooinian Avian Meat shift...ugh...nunas suck. heh heh

Songe

Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:55 pm

#13

I really don't think that the surplus of credit is mostly due to credit dupes... Also, I've never seen it happen in EQ. Weird.

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