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Thread: Yesterday I Was Insulted for Asking 12k for Buffs

glorydragon
Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:03 pm
#53






Sharpshooterlongfellow wrote:


Hello my fellow doctors). I believe 6k for buffs.. unless u are using 700 power packs is obsecenly low. I charge 8k for 2550 buffs (with BE clothing and Bivoli) for a minimum of 8k in theed and coronet.. but if i am on a high end planet i charge any where from 10-12 depending on my mood. I could be making WAY more credits soloing bull rancor missoins.. which i do alot then sitting on my rear buffing ppl doing thema favor by buffing them. If they complain they are added to my ignore list on the spot.

If u want to complain u go right ahead... to me i dont care about their opinion because i could be making more money then sitting there helping them to make more money then should be able to w/o my buffs. If u find someone talking smack to you dont buff them ever again then laugh when they beg for your forgiveness. I show no sympathy to ppl who whine about my prices.. which are lower then thos ppl who charge 12k for 2k buffs I might add, because they are not worth my time. You are paying for my time so better be ready to pay up.

I will continue to use that price because that is what i deem fair.. well for imperials at least because i have been known to charge more for rebels . If a imperial is overt i will usually sell them cheap because i essentially hired a bodyguard hehe . I love charging less for overts because then i feel like i am truly in the GCW but that is my own opnion . For those that see my price as expensive.. PLZ i dont care what the hell u think.. go ahead and get those 2000 buffs that last close to 2 hours for 1k less ... mine last 3h40m so u darn right im gonna charge more on high end planets


Zeian (eclipse char)

Message Edited by Sharpshooterlongfellow on 03-21-2004 11:37 PM



/cheer

Aygou
Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:01 pm
#54

I see there is alot of ideas for and agianst but I just want to say my side. I usually charge 8K for a full set of buffs, but if I am busy doing something I will charge anywhere from 10k - 20k. I like to hunt I don't like to set in a cantina, starport, or even a med center. I play the game if you get my attantion and need a buff be prepared to pay it. Even RL doctors charge more if you get them out of bed!



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Malovec
Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:29 pm
#55

purplebooks :




Don't use the time excuse anymore please..



Why the hell not? Time is money. Plain and simple. If I want i can grab two rancor missions /disband lay waste to both lairs in probally35-45 mins, (Time to get group large enough to pull them, buff, eat, drink, watch and listen for mind buffs, and travel to each on and kill them) I get what, 72k. But that is not all, I harvest meat, hide, and loot corpse not to mention the random rancor lairs or possible force witch or too that might carry something good. Not to mention the exp. I can sell loot, meat, and hide for even more $$$.


If I buff 12 people @ 6k, that also is 72k. And that is all no more no less. Average buff takes maybe a min.


However if I charge the "right" price of 10-12k those same people comes to 120k-144k. Much better. Not to mention the added FACT these buffs are what make these solo rancor lairs possible anyway.


End the end you can charge what you want, but to say time is not worth money is plain stupid. You ask any REAL business person if there time is worth anything.






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Revedon
Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:02 am
#56

Personaly I do find that time is money ......if a freind sends me a tell saying that some krayts have spawned i want my buff as fast as possible and I have no trouble offering a Doc 50k to buff me right away



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Munga_Meds
Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:24 am
#57

I'll use the time arguement all I want. For instance:


I am on planet x, my guild is on planet y. I make a mistake and whip out my droid to buff myself (so I don't take even more time at planet y making my guild wait). Some random player sees this and asks for a buff. I say sure, Price XXXX and I'm only buffing til this shuttle arrives. Now this player says ok, pays me big money because it's convenient for him and he doesn't have to deal with the front of starport lag. Im done buffing and pack up my droid.


Another player sees me buff, and either asks for himself, or says his buddy is on his way and could I buff him too? I say as long as price XXXX is met and before the shuttle leaves. Inevitably, shuttle arrives and player wants me to stay. Now the price has jumped again. WHY? because you just made 5-10 of my guildmates wait.


Time is all I have left. My guildmates harvest my medical resouces. They help me hunt for avian. They are the reason I am still a doctor. You take time away from them then you better be prepared to pay the price. If you want free buffs from me, join my guild on an avian hunt where the rasps drop 4 units at a time, and give me a stack of 4k before you go, then you can have the buffs for free.


My guild hunts for money, we don't charge city taxes. Each 10 minutes I make them wait because you want me to buff you and your friends, we could be hunting something a customer is PAYING us to hunt. I will only circumvent that if you pay BIG money.... FOR MY TIME.


Why do CEO's have corporate jets? Because time is money. Now tell me to stop using the time arguement...



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zebraone100
Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:30 am
#58

1. Value is in the eye of the customer, NOT in the cost of production. All of you people making arguments like: "well, it cost me 13 cpu for this, and 45 cpu for that." need to get a clue. The customer decides how much a buff is worth by choosing to buy it or not. Furthermore the customer doesn't care how much it cost you to produce. They only care about what it does for them. Stop thinking in terms of: it cost me 500 to make so its worth 1000 or whatever the numbers are. Start thinking in terms of: this product raises ham stats by 2300, and that can make the difference between success or failurehunting or running missions. For some of your customers,+2300 to the hams is vitally importaint. To them, the value is huge. If your customers are willing to pay 12k or 20k or whatever, don't devalue your own market by charging less. Your customers deside how much your buffs are worth, NOT YOU. Not every customer values your buffs to the same degree. By setting a higher price, you are choosing to sell only to those that value them highly.


2. If your selling buffs, you goal is to make money. Their are no"Ands, ifs, or Buts" about this point. Why do so many people overlook this fact? What ever the price is, it should make you the most amount of money for the time you spend doing it. Don't make the same mistake that 9 out of 10 new business in the real world make... Charging a fair price(by the way, 9 out of 10 new businesses typically fail. Usually for this reason). Charge what people are willing to pay. Make a profit.


3. A set price is not always the best way to sell. Stay fluid with the situation. If you set up shop in front of the starport on a busy saturday afternoon, and its just you or maybe two other docs, consider raising your prices. Sure, some will get angry and not buy your buffs, but who cares? You can only buff so many people in a given amount of time anyway. It might as well be the oneswho are going to pay more. The goal is to weed down the number of customers to the point where u stay busy but not overloaded. If you have 5 people constantly in front of you, or if you have 15 people constantly in front of you, you are still only going to buff the same number of people in the end. The question is, how much are you going to make for your time?


If the price is so high that nobody wants your buffs, consider lowering the price. Better yet, find something else to do, and come back when the demand is high. Non peak times just might be the right time to go hunting.


4. Buffing sucks. Standing in front of the starport for hours on end is not fun. Make it worth your while. Don't undervalue your time.


5. My last point: You determine what your own value is. In real life, if you accept minimum wage for you efforts, you are worth minimum wage and not a penny more. I hope this last point doesn't hit too close to home for some of you.


ooBoBoo
Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:37 pm
#59








Talusian wrote:

oh yeah. Forgot to mention also that the professional curtesy you speak of is called Price Fixing in the real world and, at least in the U.S., is in violation of the Sherman Act of 1945 and will alnd you some serioious jail time.







I wrote "emulating a real world economy," which does not necessarily include the US economy. 12k is a good price, period. As docs, we should all agree on it and make some good cash like the other crafting professions.


We need to price fix because we selll next to one another, unlike other crafters.


13B
Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:17 pm
#60

Yes, let's make a galactic doctor union. We have a product nearly as high in demand as gas in rl. If your PvP'in without buffs your going to spend a lot of time in the cloning facility. Not to mention serious PvE'rs require buffs for high end missions to be safe. We should all find a price and agree on it. But if your buffin with more powerful packs tack on a K or so. I mean after all you get what you pay for. Another fun trick may be to keep some lower end buffs on hand....say buff pack c's and when someone complains about a higher
price, lower the price and give them the crappier buff. When they complain tell them thats what they paid for. If anything it may teach them a lesson. Plus give ya a good laugh.
Marrow1
Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:41 pm
#61

Zebraone100, I could not have said it better myself.


When you want make cash, make cash. I saw a doc buffing his heart out for 6k a set. He was the only one and had a very long line. I sat down and yelled " I am charging 20k a set.". Gues what, I quickly had a steady line. My buffs were no better than his. This is an example where the price of the buff was more dependent on the length of the line people were willing to put up with than any thing else. The people who bought my buffs thanked me up and down for being there.


When you want to be nice and give buffs away, give them away.


Just make sure you know know what your goal is and all is good.


Marrow




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Narakar
Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:59 am
#62






purplebooks wrote:

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Guys.... Don't use the time excuse anymore please.. if you dont have time why waste ours telling us? Also... Super High quality resources arent that important anymore.. if you can make 800 power packs.. and just about any master doc can... than your good. 800 Power is just about as good 900+ power now remember.






I remember you purplebook. You are the guy that fought tooth and nail on this forum a few months ago to justify that 4k was as high as a doc should ever charge for any buff.


I will admit that in some respects you may be right. Docs shouldn't be charging large sums of money for buffs just to earn money. Instead to earn money docs should just buff themselves and grab some missions. This is really the best way to earn good credits.


So lets say that every doc with combat skills does this. Keep their buffs kits to themselves, and go off to grab some missions on Dant. That leaves the 'fair price' docs at coronet/bestine/theed to buff the hordes. The queues grow longer. Do you think the customer will be happy about 4k buffs now?


I think things are fine as they are now. The customers have a choice. Wait for 4k buff, or get their buff straight away for 15k. I really don't mind if some docs don't value their time highly, or maybe don't know that missions can have a credit reward greater than 1k.


Its a good system at the moment for docs and customers. Lets not try to force the pricing either way (high or low).



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Malovec
Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:59 am
#63

1. Value is in the eye of the customer, NOT in the cost of production. All of you people making arguments like: "well, it cost me 13 cpu for this, and 45 cpu for that." need to get a clue. The customer decides how much a buff is worth by choosing to buy it or not. Furthermore the customer doesn't care how much it cost you to produce.








The customer is an idiot.


No? Then why do people pay the 1.50 for Skippy just because it says "Low card" when really it is not low enough to justify the price.



Or....



See this pretty little flip phone! OOOOOoooOOO ahhhh, it flips and takes pictures, (only costs motorola, samsung, ect maybe 50-60 to make, and they charge over 300 for some of those phones)



or...



Microsoft. I know it does not cost 400$ to make a windows disk, but hey they charge that anyway.


Yeah customer don't control **edit** in this game. Unless SOE resets all accounts to fix economy then no, the customer has no god damn effect on a doctors buff on this game.




"Dee Doo Dittle, Doottile!" - R2-D2
th0mas
Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:17 am
#64






rsnyc wrote:
why are you overcharging or even buffing at all when you 45 million credits? 12k is too much i think. has the cost of making buffs really doubled?






Overcharging? Thats a matter of definition.



But as the inccentive to buff stangers goes down - up goes the price.





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th0mas
Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:20 am
#65



I charge randomly... recently ive more or less stopped buffing stangers due to lack of ressources and lack of time.


If a guy asks me if i can buff then the reply is either:


Sure mate (guildies, friends)
Sorry
"10k"-"15k" followed by the stats / duration of the buffs.


You really want me to spend my buffs on you?
Drop what im doing atm?
Miss the shuttle?
Do i know you?


Then youd better make it worth my while!


On my server its getting harder and harder for ppl to find someone to buff them (at least thats what im hearing)... and face it... even at that price they are worth it.


If i was going around announcing that i was buffing - say sitting in coronet for an hour - now thats another matter. Id probably charge 8-10k.




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(All Cancelled)

Co-founder of AE Medical
WoW - Shadowsong Server - Aefa - 60 Alliance Hunter
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