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12K for buffs is no problem. Even 15K to 20K is no problem (depending on the buff).

What has bugged me for the last 2 days:

I head to Corn. to grab some buffs. I see 2 Doc'c buffing for 12K and the lines are short. I click on both docs and see that both have mind wounds andBFover 100+.

I was only going to goof around on Dath so the quality of buff didn't make a big difference to me. As a prospective Doc it just bugs me that people will sell a service to other players and not take5 minutes to cure their friggin' wounds and BF to make sure they provide the highest quality product.

Just damn lazy.

Hmm Sosstuborx, you may want to get your facts strate before you dis your fellow Docs.

The BF and Mind wounds of the Doc have no impact on the quality of the buff the are giving. The Doc's mind wounds will only come into play if they keep them from buffing at a fast enough pace. It has nothing to do with how high the buff will be.

The BF only matters on the buffie not the buffer.

Sorry, man, not trying to flame you just educate.

Marrow

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Marrow1 wrote:

Hmm Sosstuborx, you may want to get your facts strate before you dis your fellow Docs.

The BF and Mind wounds of the Doc have no impact on the quality of the buff the are giving. The Doc's mind wounds will only come into play if they keep them from buffing at a fast enough pace. It has nothing to do with how high the buff will be.

The BF only matters on the buffie not the buffer.

Sorry, man, not trying to flame you just educate.

Marrow

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Thanks for the heads up.

Perhaps the sub 1800 buffs were a lack of Bivoli or just plain mediocre packs? Bah, not worth thinking about anymore.

/hi5

Heh heh ok guys here is the deal. Buffs are worth whatever you are willing to sell them for. I have sold setsf for 50kbefore. (we were out in the middle of nowhere and they guy realy wanted buffs I guess) But anyway I am all for Docs buffing for 8k. They will havea line 10 long. I will walk into coronet and say "Hey I am Buffing for 15k a set with a short line" I will imediatly get 2-3 players and usualy keep one in waiting all night long. Sure I let them know my buffs come out to be a little over 2.2k and laster for 3.2 hours so they aren't the best but they don't have a long wait. I am selling them a short line, not buffs. I've only been a master doc for a month now and don't have the best of resources but I do have a great wait time for mediocre buffs.

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GenTesla wrote:

Ok lets put another taint on this......Buffs are priced on the doctors time NOT the cost of the resources.

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Finally as someone posted before...you dont aggro weaponsmiths or rip off architects about their prices because they have vendors..unfortuanatly for us we have to apply the buff in person so get moaning and groaning by all sorts. Now if the other crafters had to hand over their craft in person 24/7 then they would get it too, quite frankly people want to know a rip off go see any of these they take the complete P**S!!

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Believe me, until experimentation was put in for harvesters I was constantly bombarded by undercutters and complainers. I largely used vendors specifically so as not to deal with customers or competitors at all, Id grown so weary of it so quickly. But, some people would just go out of their way to let me know that they can't believe how much I'm charging for a particular deed. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard:

"I looked up the schematic and it only takes 56k resources (PA Hall) and you're charging 250k? (or as I grew more tired 300k) I can buy all of these resources on the bazaar for 3 cpu so your price should be more like 168k or less even if you harvest this stuff yourself(3x56k)...I'll just bring you the 56k resources and you can make me the hall for a small fee."

People forget the massive amount of time it takes to get to the point where you can make the item they want, not to mention the time you're taking out of your game playing time to make them what they want and finally the risk you take in assembly fails, experiment fails, lousy buffs etc. I've since dropped architect and tried a few other crafting/service professions since then and I can say that these people are always there, no matter what you do or say there will always be someone to complain about your price, speed, quality, etc. On the other hand, I've also never had a problem finding repeat customers who are willing to pay twice what I ask for the quality of service I provide...as an architect that meant that any structure could be picked up right away, any order of five or less structures could be picked no same day and no order ever took more than 24 hours to fill - ever.

To be honest, there are times when I would have gladly paid 50k for buffs. I don't sell buffs but even 12k seems low to me for what's involved. I think if I did start selling buffs, they would be quality of course but would probably start at 15 or even 20k...I'm sure that once again I'd get complaints but who cares?

Message Edited by Sharpshooterlongfellow on 03-21-2004 11:37 PM

As prices are on my server right now if I buy my buff crates from someone else (even good buffs) it only costs me approximately 200 credits per stat buff. So 1200 for the full set. At that rate charging 12k for a full set of buffs is highway robbery imo.. If I make the buffs myself the cost to me is drastically reduced, but the time cost is, of course, increased.

Of course some of us docs who allow people to "pay what they are worth to you" actually make anywhere from 10K-15K a buff. Every so often you get the cheap guy who tips you 7-8K but I've never had a tip lower than 7K. To be honest most of the time I'm not even in the mood to buff, nor have I set up "shop" Just random people asking for buffs, but I respect the doctors who are trying to make a profit and I have never tried to undermine prices by buffing when there is a master doc charging 10K-12K for buffs. Basically the doctors who charge, set the rates for the "tip what you want" docs, because people feel compelled to tip the average price for buffs. Please don't classify all of us together and please don't actually believe most of us aren't turning a good profit.

People will complain no matter what the price, but i've been tipped 20K - 50K for a buff when there were no other doctors around on a remote planet, so the need for buffsis great and most people will pay just about any price for one when they are scarce, but if you abuse the prices (and I'm not saying 12K is abuse) they will turn on you.

if we are trying to "simulate a real economy" then you have to accept that not all prices will be the same. Remember each doctor buffing is technically a "company" in competition for business, so for the most part, the best value (which most people mistake with price) usually wins.

Also consider the fact that the person charging 6K might be buffing twice as many people (who are willing to wait an hour to save 4K) as the doctor who charges 12K which really evens out. If they are still turning a profit and can afford to "slash their prices" then that IS the real economy. Look at Walmart.

What your asking for is unity NOT professionalism. I agree with unity we should find a fair pricing system and try to get the majority of doctors to follow it. We should enforce the idea of cost (money, time, frustration) vs benefit (profit). Also let's try to build a relationship with out clients, not this mechanical "you're another face in line". We can try to force our clients to pay any amount, but let's prove to them that our SERVICES are worth it. Then you would never have to worry about the "tip what it's worth to you" because it would be worth whatever the price we set as standard. Just an opinion offered with respect.

Unna Inari - Bria - Master Doctor - Riffleman - Fisherman

Frankly Id have to say that i would black list the offenders..IE no healing service of any kind to them.....I often frequent the verious dungeons..and I offer healing services rigth there ot the people in the midst of the fighting...but those who chose to be rude, and degradeing will be /denyservice so i dont accdently do buisnsee with them ever again.

Our services are valualble, as is our time. Yeah some may under cut us, but their amount of time and dedacation invested is often lacking....Im around long hours buffing folk, and it keeps a core group of 40 customers all ways seeking me, plus who ever else may be around...Thats good enough for me....

Wake up folks...Doctors are not you NPC's. Treat us with respect or treat yourselves.

Its about the time invested. 6k is a joke. Its not even worth pulling my droid for...I could just do missions on an alt and make money WAY faster.

There are a few people here that are actually listening and discussing.. but most are using their math skills when its never needed... or they have BRS (Broken Record Syndrome).

OR...

These BRS arguements you guys have for wanting to charge alot are great.. most of them break down into two catagories:

• I use high quality resources and mine are better than yours....


• I dont have time/It's not worth my time...

Guys.... Don't use the time excuse anymore please.. if you dont have time why waste ours telling us? Also... Super High quality resources arent that important anymore.. if you can make 800 power packs.. and just about any master doc can... than your good. 800 Power is just about as good 900+ power now remember.

I just give people options so the complaints are left to a minimum.

2200 buffs 8k

2400 buffs 10k

2500 buffs 12k - 3.4hr duration

I let them decide what they would like to pay.