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Thread: Publish 7 changes to enhances!
Lexy wrote:
Actually it's not unwarrented. I watched him as correspondant and was unimpressed by his job (compared to some of the other profession's Correspondants, like Sirvimes for chefs). As a doc, it's completely warranted that I express my displeasure with the former Correspondant over a nerf that he is *clearly* in favor of, and likely helped to get through. Why do you think they keep the Correspondant forums private, rather than just making it so we can't post there? To protect the correspondants
Okay fine. Whatever.
/addignore Lexy
Lexy wrote:
I understand that you don't dumb stuff down, but the simple fact of the matter is that most people have to have it dumbed down for them. You actually think that most board users are intelligent? Have you seen the boards?
Well, yeah. I read them constantly. And IMHO the folks on this particular forum, in general, are pretty darned smart. 
I don't know, I guess I'll have to wait to see how it turns out. But when they nerf my main skill by 1/3 to 1/2 power, I get emotional (and therefore vocal). At least you aren't our correspondant anymore though Zarlor, now perhaps you can nerf Stimpack E's to only heal for 500 damage, since you're the medic corre now.
Umm... riiight. (Then again, Stim Es are Doc, too.) You do realize what my actual appeal (based on the wishes of this forum) was, don't you? Throughout the process I have continuoulsy reiterated that the majority position for Docs is a reduced level of variability, not a removal. Maybe you should go back and see exactly what occured before taking unfounded pot-shots.
All I'm trying to do here now is get folks to see all sides of the issue and not condemn anything out of hand. You are speaking right now out of gut instinct from absolute terms. Sure you won't get a 4k buff again if this stays. But nobody else will, either. If you had been giving the best buffs on your server, you still will. The mention in dialogue that someone made earlier that they were doing 3k "before" and only 920 "now" is obviously rather ludicrous, since the "now" buffs would actually be much higher than that if they were able to get to 3k before (especially if they got it consistantly). They are probably looking at a buff somewhere int he 2k range. Your customers are going to blow you off on that? If they do it will only be for a few weeks until they realize that ALL buffs are now in that range.
I think there is some merit to the idea, is all. It certainly is not the solution we wanted, nor the solution I pushed for, but don;t dismiss it out of hand because of your gut feeling. Just keep in mind you are trying to view things in absolutes, when it will help to look at them in a relative sense instead. Doc buffs are still the best game in town no matter how you look at it, though.
Message Edited by Thrail on 02-27-2004 02:30 PM
Why do you think Matchstick isn't upset at the change? He's a doc that won't be affected as much by the change
/addignore Matchstick
lol, gotta love the kids
Lexy wrote:
I understand that you don't dumb stuff down, but the simple fact of the matter is that most people have to have it dumbed down for them. You actually think that most board users are intelligent? Have you seen the boards?
I don't know, I guess I'll have to wait to see how it turns out. But when they nerf my main skill by 1/3 to 1/2 power, I get emotional (and therefore vocal). At least you aren't our correspondant anymore though Zarlor, now perhaps you can nerf Stimpack E's to only heal for 500 damage, since you're the medic corre now.
LOL. Real nice. Our correspondent tallied the AVAILABLE population and got a vote from them. It wasn't the vote you wanted. Tough luck. He did nothing wrong, only reported what was voted.
As for who is being asked, what did you want him to do, make a character on every planet and spam in coronet asking for votes? He can only work in the framework that the devs give him, just like everyone else. At least come up with intelligent alternatives before making statements sayingsomething was doneincorrectly.
The polls have been around for a couple months, and with all the stupid questions that are sometimes asked through the poll, I'm sure a correspondant could have gotten the devs to ask the buff question, 'Would you rather have 2k buffs, or 3k+ buffs?"
But Zarlor was content with his "majority" vote that only a handful of people participated in.
/shrug
Lexy wrote:
Like I said, the good docs are getting a massive nerf, while the bad docs will only be affected slightly. What's the average for a 900-2500 buff, compared to 1400-3900? 1700 vs 2650. But, look at how much of a decrease that is for bad docs compared to good docs, lowering the high buff from 2500 to 1700 is only a loss of 800 points. Lowering from 3900 to 2650 though is a massive nerf.
Why do you think Matchstick isn't upset at the change? He's a doc that won't be affected as much by the change
/addignore Matchstick
lol, gotta love the kids
that's pretty flawed logic...as a reciever of buffs, it's much much MUCH easier to compare 1700 against 800 than it ever was to compare 1400-3900 against 1700-2650...there's way too much overlap, hard to ever know who has the "good" buffs since good rolls > good packs...
now if you see someone advertising 1700pt packs and the other doc is only slinging 800pt, you'd be a fool to use the latter.
you think this only slightly affects "bad docs?" got news for you...bad docs will now just be simple to steer clear of, and good docs are by far more easily able to prove their services are superior...this change hurts your "bad docs" much much worse.
~pentjak
go with the doc that says "8k for buffs, using X power kits and X duration. Also using BE clothes, bivoli Tempari, and 110 med droid for maximum buffs"
It's easy to determine the good docs now, simply say "What power are your kits?". That's EXACTLY what you will ask after the patch too, so why not find out who the good docs are now instead of later?
Message Edited by Lexy on 02-27-2004 05:17 PM
pentjaksilat wrote:
Lexy wrote:
Like I said, the good docs are getting a massive nerf, while the bad docs will only be affected slightly. What's the average for a 900-2500 buff, compared to 1400-3900? 1700 vs 2650. But, look at how much of a decrease that is for bad docs compared to good docs, lowering the high buff from 2500 to 1700 is only a loss of 800 points. Lowering from 3900 to 2650 though is a massive nerf.
Why do you think Matchstick isn't upset at the change? He's a doc that won't be affected as much by the change
/addignore Matchstick
lol, gotta love the kids
that's pretty flawed logic...as a reciever of buffs, it's much much MUCH easier to compare 1700 against 800 than it ever was to compare 1400-3900 against 1700-2650...there's way too much overlap, hard to ever know who has the "good" buffs since good rolls > good packs...
now if you see someone advertising 1700pt packs and the other doc is only slinging 800pt, you'd be a fool to use the latter.
you think this only slightly affects "bad docs?" got news for you...bad docs will now just be simple to steer clear of, and good docs are by far more easily able to prove their services are superior...this change hurts your "bad docs" much much worse.
~pentjak
What are you talking about? You're not even comparing comparable numbers. 1700 vs 800 is the average of not-so-good buffs and the amount of the nerf for the same buffs. Why would you compare the pre-nerf average to the amount of the nerf for the same buff pack? 1400-3900 is the current varience of good buffs but 1700-2650 is the averages of not-so-good and good buffs. Why are youtaking the averages of not-so-good and good buffs and pretending that it's a range of something (1700-2650 is not a range, it's two seperate averages) then comparing it to something that is a range?
Here's what you can compare:
2500 to 1700 is a loss of 800 points on not-so-good buffs
3900 to2650 is a loss of 1250 points on good buffs
1250 vs 800. Good buffs lose 50% more than not-so-good buffs.
If I were you I'd stop commenting on other people's logic.
Lexy wrote:
Actually, the devs have a superb framework set up to poll people. It's called the polls.
The polls have been around for a couple months, and with all the stupid questions that are sometimes asked through the poll, I'm sure a correspondant could have gotten the devs to ask the buff question, 'Would you rather have 2k buffs, or 3k+ buffs?"
But Zarlor was content with his "majority" vote that only a handful of people participated in.
/shrug
Lexy, you seriously need to back off Z. He did not push for the removal, all he did was put forth what was VOTED upon here on this very forum. Z has never put forth his own concerns over the public opinion, ever. Believe what you want, rant all you want, it doesn't change the simple fact that Z has done his best for the Doctor profession. More then you or anyone else around save a few oldtimers. Don't come here and post disparaging remarks at his expense with no proof other then your own unfounded viewpoint. It's uncalled for and rude.
As for the polling system. Could the devs have put up polls for the professions? Yes, but then they'd have to do it for every single profession. We'd be inundated by questions concerning profession we have no clue about nor care for. That's NOT what those polls are intended for. The system of voting Z implemented is fair enough as it is. If there's an issue you disagree with, you simply need to get a majority of your fellow docs to concur with you. If you can't do that, then obviously your issue isn't as important as you may believe.