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Thread: Official fact finding My buffs are coming out too low thread (Jan 18, 2004)

Dencur
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:01 pm
#40

Sorry about the delay in my posting. I have been running a "Buff Bot" in our PA's medical center for about a week now to get solid number that we can go by for my buffs. Here is my data.


1.) Pre-problem buff average: 2k for every stat, with a 700 power pack. (Lowest buff hitting at 1.5k, and highest at 2.5k)

2.) Post-problem buff average: 1500 for every stat, with 860 power pack. (Lowest hitting for 600! Highest at 2.7k..RARE).

3.) I noticed a change the day of the vehicles patch. I buff a lot of people, probably more than 60 a day. I immediately noticed a change on that day.

4.) Now, my buff packs are 830-880 power, all advanced controllers. 65 ACRDM, 16/20 ABEC, 50 ASDC.

5.) 110 Droid Rating.

6.) Master Doctor: +100

7.) +25 Medical Use + 25 Medical treatment Smock.

8.) Scylla


Also I have noticed (And received several complaints) that stimpacks, and the entire healing system is landing less. I make 450 power Advanced Stim B's, and I used to call them 450 base, meaning they would rarely if EVER land below 450 with novice medic skill.


My roommate used them, with novice medic only skill, and they were landing for 200-300. Before the patch, he said they would always hit at least 450, and sometimes much higher (up to 1000). This might be part of the problem, but I am not sure *shrug*.


I hope this helps.



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Shidevie
Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:41 am
#41

Used D buff packs last night with base of on all ~850.


Health: Buffed 922


Action Buffed 1244


Strength Buffed 1150


Quickness Buffed 2210


Stamina Buffed 1170


Constitution Buffed 1480


I was a little mad when this happened.



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Lightsabersmith
Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:44 am
#42

I cry BS.


How many of you who posted your so-called averages actually did any research or just posted a "gut" feeling? I have seen very little change in both the buffs I am getting and the buffs I give, if any at all. I seriously doubt anything substantial has changed in the doc buffinglogic.


Two nights ago I gave a buff to a player that had every stat over 2800, 4 were over 3000. Conversely I have given buffs that had every stat under 2000, although these are equally rare. I think we tend to remember the really bad ones the most, and they make us suspect problems with the system.


Please, if you want to post averages, back them up with real, hard, cold facts. Don't just wet a finger and stick it in the air and say 1500 average. Log your buffs for a night, collect them all and compute a real average. Anything else is speculation. Also, give the power of your buff packs.


As a side note I would be far happier if my buffs ALWAYS BUFFED THE SAME AMOUNT! It would be easier to set a fixed value on them, and tell players EXACTLY what they are paying for. If my buffs were always exactly 2186 when using a 900 powered pack, I would be quite happy with that. You could tell players to pay so many credits per buff and they would get their money's worth. No surprises, no bad luck, no hard feelings on either side. Docs would have better chances for competition in the buff service based on pack power. Those who made and sold high end buff packs couldeasilycharge a premium for them since the measurable difference might help make the doctors selling the buff service more competitive.


Davy
Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:11 pm
#43

I've only done less than 10 buff sets, probably, since one of my characters made Master Doc.


But I seem to be getting these results:


1. Lows of 1200s, highs of 2300s. No higher. I use 800-911 power enhance packs, my gal wears +25 Injury and wound treatment BE'd clothing. I haven't used my surgical droid when buffing, will try that next time to see if there's a difference.


2. The power of my e-packs seems irrelevant to the eventual buff. Does that value even go into the formula to determine the final buff? I've tried low end (pwr 650) packs vs. high end (pwr 911) packs in the same set of buffs, and got big buffs with the low end stuff, lousy one with the good packs. It doesn't seem to make any rhyme or reason.


I do wish the Devs would give us a narrower variance, and base the buffs on both power of the packs and skill of the Doc. The way it is now, a client could get as good (or as bad) a set of buffs from a Master Doc as from one who's not made Master as yet, all thanks to one big, mysterious set of die rolls. That's not a good way to have it.





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KerasDE
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:33 pm
#44

Hey Davy...you'll have to get with me in-game and we can talk about this.


As for the topic at hand....I also got master doctor after the vehicle patch went live.


I'mmaking 860 powerbuffs and getting 1200-3200 range. I use a 110 med droid/BE clothing/Master doc. I'm just glad others are having the same problem...I remember a couple months ago getting buffs that averaged 2.5k to every stat and I just can't seem to acheive that.


It's also very random...same set of buffs....I'll hit my partner for 2k-3k on all stats....then i'll turn around and hit myself for 1.2-2.2k.


Thanks for whomever said something about the repair on the BE clothing, I'll have to try that...as well as disconnecting before I buff. I'll give both of those a try.





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scphares
Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:59 pm
#45

1.) Pre-problem normal buff average.


1500-3000


2.) Post-problem normal buff average.

1000

3.) Date when you noticed that buffs got lower (the closer you can get on this the more helpful it is.)

early january

4.) Normal Buff pack power level (range) and which adv components do you use.


21 use 757 power 10k duration

5.) Droid rating (If no droid, please type "med center 100")

110

6.) Wound treatment rating without clothes

Whatever master doc is

7.) Wound treatment rating with clothes (include ratings over +25 just in case).

+25

8.) Server.


Corbantis




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I get 5 out of 6 stats under 1k as often as I get 1 stat over 2500pts. Haven't gotten a 3k+ buff since the change. I JUST NOW got my first 6 stats under 1000 buffed in a row on the same character. It's either broken or its nerfed...
Vinaddar
Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:40 am
#46

I have been back on Corelia this week, and the buffs are landing consistently higher than back home on Dant or on Endor where I prefer to hunt. This is puzzling to me. I am still not getting the average I used to even on Corelia, but instead of a 1400-1500 average, I am seeing a 1900-2000 average. Why would the planet I am on affect the application of enhancements?

I would just like to see the MD get his 2300ish average back, and see the high rated enhance-D's mean something. I get the same results using base enhance rated 770's as I do 912's. I'll break the 973's out of the bank when all this is resolved. For now, I'd rather risk the mediocre packs I have left over.


Vinaddar


(originally posted this in the Crit Failure thread in error)

MyT_Chicken
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:42 am
#47

Update on my average over a period of 7 hours of fun loving buffs. All I can say is a lot of grumpy customers


Health ~1.1k
Con ~1.8k
Str ~2.3k


Action ~2.4k
Qck~1.2k
Stm ~1.1k


For a total average of 1650. Thi is with all my packs at 913 Base. I ended up using about 200 of each buff to get this data. It was a painful task, but I think my data shows that there is a big problem with the buff system right now. Atleast for me.






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Traigus
Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:29 am
#48

The problem is reported.

That's the best I have ATM.

-T



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Freshy
Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:13 pm
#49

Anyone know if there has been a response from a Dev about this issue?



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Jasynn
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:07 pm
#50

I find that my buffs are a lot lower if I am wearing any armor [don't know if this is common knowledge that I missed].
Peadar
Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:38 am
#51

I find that if I have mind wounds my buffs suck...last night I had over 100 mind wounds and used a stamina buff (820) and got a 984 buff??? not sure if there's a relantionship here or not but, at Master Doctor and a decent buff stim that shouldn't happen!



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Tarttee
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:03 pm
#52

I have been hitting 1.5-3.2k with not problem... ehh.. Maybe just a bad streak of rolls?




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