Doctor Archive
Thread: Doctors sucks... Do you?
Cailid010
Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:36 am
#27
Kobya wrote:
All I can say friend is give it upand don't loose any sleep over it. It has been my experience that people on these forums care only about one thing.Themselves, and to hell with everyone else.I have never seen a game's forums with more unreasonable people.And it seems that the doctor thread is the worst. (I know I'll get it for that one)
Even if your complaints andaruments are completely sound and you areright, peoplewilltake every word you say apart and turn it around on you. It's an art and most people around here seem to have perfected it.
It's been said by most people that SWG's player base is mainly adults. Mabey by age but not maturity. You can reason better with acorpse than most of the peopleyou bumb into on these forums. Just an observation.
Why don't you show me where it says in the Rules Of Conduct that I'm paying for this game so that I can be at your beck and call?
When you're willing to gather any resource I want, whenever I want it, for no payment and not even so much as a 'thanks', then I'll be willing to come heal you whenever you want it.
You're right, there are people that only care about themselves, and you're one of them.
Kobya
Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:04 am
#28
ROFLMAO!!
Your comments are perhaps the most unreasonable I have ever had the privlage to read... ohh by the way Can you read? Becaues if you can you certainly lack comprehension. Your comments had absolutely nothing to do with mine and were completely un called for. Thank you for proving my point.
Berious
Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:25 am
#29
Kob, if you had to deal with the SWG playing public like docs do you'd see they put up with a LOAD of hassle. People complaining about buff prices when they're displayed in your shout, people trying to scam you with obvious and insulting scams, people demanding attention without so much as a please or thank you... that's just everyday stuff, nothing special. Of course the majority are great but it only takes a few clowns to make you wonder why you bother. Seriously, try a support profession for a while and you'll see.
ElPedroSG
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:32 am
#30
You were on the receiving end of the treatment the playerbase as a whole has given Docs.
If you need a doc in SWG it is getting to the stage where you or one of your buddies is gonna have to take it up.
Then not only will you get all the /tells from people wanting buffs/heals/cures/rezzes and wanting them now, you will also have the fun part hanging back in PvP in case peaople need poison/disease cures or a rez as you're too valuable to risk in the fun area.
If you PvP without a doc why would you expect a rez? During that PvP fight if I'd have sent you a /tell saying I want a crate of 25 droid batteries in 3 minutes or so would you have stopped doing your thing? Would you be carrying crates of everything I might want to buy that your template can make? Would you be happy if I didn't bother to tip or gave you 1k credits or so?
You want a doc to rez you get a buddy to become one or get a second account. As you and the SWG population are now experiencing Docs have had enough. We do what we want when we want for how much we want because we can. Other players need us or they can't take on high end game content, or fire more than 3 specials in PvE or PvP, or get 1 shotted in PvP. There are so few docs because the profession (to most players) sucks compared to others. Those of us that do have master doc characters can pick and choose who we buff/rez/heal and obviously you aren't one of those.
Don't like it?
Tough.
Take out 20 people with a similar template to you from every server and the game won't change one bit. Take out 20 master docs from every server and the whole community feels the effect.
Good thing is the whining has pushed a lot of docs to the same frame of mind as above. I don't care if I never sell a buff or a medical item ever again. I can buff my own combat character and make 150k an hour plus easily doing missions. No hassle from other players. That's as much as I can make buffing constantly IF I use packs I make myself, more if I had to buy them. No hassle, chance of loot etc. What would you choose?
Point I'm making is docs are important, you're not. Go complain to people who actually care. You will receive doctor attention when we want to give it to you at a price we dictate and not a moment sooner 
ElPedroSG
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:33 am
#31
You were on the receiving end of the treatment the playerbase as a whole has given Docs.
If you need a doc in SWG it is getting to the stage where you or one of your buddies is gonna have to take it up.
Then not only will you get all the /tells from people wanting buffs/heals/cures/rezzes and wanting them now, you will also have the fun part hanging back in PvP in case peaople need poison/disease cures or a rez as you're too valuable to risk in the fun area.
If you PvP without a doc why would you expect a rez? During that PvP fight if I'd have sent you a /tell saying I want a crate of 25 droid batteries in 3 minutes or so would you have stopped doing your thing? Would you be carrying crates of everything I might want to buy that your template can make? Would you be happy if I didn't bother to tip or gave you 1k credits or so?
You want a doc to rez you get a buddy to become one or get a second account. As you and the SWG population are now experiencing Docs have had enough. We do what we want when we want for how much we want because we can. Other players need us or they can't take on high end game content, or fire more than 3 specials in PvE or PvP, or get 1 shotted in PvP. There are so few docs because the profession (to most players) sucks compared to others. Those of us that do have master doc characters can pick and choose who we buff/rez/heal and obviously you aren't one of those.
Don't like it?
Tough.
Take out 20 people with a similar template to you from every server and the game won't change one bit. Take out 20 master docs from every server and the whole community feels the effect.
Good thing is the whining has pushed a lot of docs to the same frame of mind as above. I don't care if I never sell a buff or a medical item ever again. I can buff my own combat character and make 150k an hour plus easily doing missions. No hassle from other players. That's as much as I can make buffing constantly IF I use packs I make myself, more if I had to buy them. No hassle, chance of loot etc. What would you choose?
Point I'm making is docs are important, you're not. Go complain to people who actually care. You will receive doctor attention when we want to give it to you at a price we dictate and not a moment sooner
Kobya
Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:39 pm
#32
I DO deal with the player base like doctors.. I have a doctor on Bria.. Furthermore I am also a master weaponsmith on Sunrunner. I never said you guys were wrong. Quite the contrary you are all very right..Isometimes get tells from 5 different players before I fully log in requesting anything from "a CDEF for my buddy who just started" to "Ineedz a sooperOoOber Krayt FT cause Im a L33t Playerz and I ownz PvP". And I countlessly get the "poor me I can't afford your weapons".
Speaking from experience weaponsmiths deal with more crap than doctors do. Nobody EVER wants to pay what a weapon is actually worth. Everyone across the boards and in game call us greedy, when they don't have a clue what it takes to make "Good" weapons. I don't repair weapons for people because I got sick of the bitching when it blows up.. Now I get shiit on for not repairing them. We have to deal with factories, harvestors, vendors,competition from weaponsmiths with experementation tapes, "ohh so and so can make a better weapon but he charges too much can't you make the same thing?" we getspecial orders from people that sometimes take a full day to fill and then the person sends you an email and says "ohh nevermind I got it from somebody else"after you finished, or are nearly finished with the order.Then you get the dumbass people who want a super uber DX2 With stun, and dizzy, then complain and tell you that you suck because you can't make such a thing. Or the people who bring you their weapon enhancments and expect you tomake them an uber weapon for free, fully understanding the risk factor then trashing your reputation and telling everyone on the server that yousuck as aweaponsmith after you get a crit fail or the weapon doesn't fit their expectations.
The worst thing doctors have to deal with is No tips or bitching because you won't buff.
Besides. My post was for RazorFish not the MDA 
Kobya
Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:05 pm
#33
yep very true indeed. Ya I haven't made it to the point in Doctor where I need any factories but I do understand that it's a necessity. Alot of Doctors on Sunrunner are now just accepting tips for buffs wrather than charging for them. ....an interesting approach. And I always tell em that 6k or 10k is way cheap when you can make all those credits back in one mission. So I have been tipping at least 15k and sometimes more if the buffs are exceptionally good.
Message Edited by Kobya on 03-19-2004 01:09 PM
ElPedroSG
Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:30 pm
#34
Saying tip me what it's worth to you, especially on an advanced planet can be very good!
AsanoChow
Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:01 pm
#35
Even though I'm a master doctor I carry around all 6 stat buffs and wound heals. Medics and Doctors cannot even support themselves, you need resources to make stuff, and medical foraging isn't going to do jack squat.
Kobya
Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:52 am
#36
Say guys... there is this guy on sunrunner giving FULL buffs. ALL STATS for 12k.. Im am wondering... How many master skills does that need? Ok Doctor, Dancer.. and.... What entertainer, or musician?
Travin64068
Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:17 am
#37
Kobya wrote:
I DO deal with the player base like doctors.. I have a doctor on Bria.. Furthermore I am also a master weaponsmith on Sunrunner. I never said you guys were wrong. Quite the contrary you are all very right..Isometimes get tells from 5 different players before I fully log in requesting anything from "a CDEF for my buddy who just started" to "Ineedz a sooperOoOber Krayt FT cause Im a L33t Playerz and I ownz PvP". And I countlessly get the "poor me I can't afford your weapons".
Speaking from experience weaponsmiths deal with more crap than doctors do. Nobody EVER wants to pay what a weapon is actually worth. Everyone across the boards and in game call us greedy, when they don't have a clue what it takes to make "Good" weapons. I don't repair weapons for people because I got sick of the bitching when it blows up.. Now I get shiit on for not repairing them. We have to deal with factories, harvestors, vendors,competition from weaponsmiths with experementation tapes, "ohh so and so can make a better weapon but he charges too much can't you make the same thing?" we getspecial orders from people that sometimes take a full day to fill and then the person sends you an email and says "ohh nevermind I got it from somebody else"after you finished, or are nearly finished with the order.Then you get the dumbass people who want a super uber DX2 With stun, and dizzy, then complain and tell you that you suck because you can't make such a thing. Or the people who bring you their weapon enhancments and expect you tomake them an uber weapon for free, fully understanding the risk factor then trashing your reputation and telling everyone on the server that yousuck as aweaponsmith after you get a crit fail or the weapon doesn't fit their expectations.
The worst thing doctors have to deal with is No tips or bitching because you won't buff.
Besides. My post was for RazorFish not the MDA
Doctors deal with harvesters and factories too, but survey isn't in our base skills. To be self sufficient a Doctor needs to take up Artisan and Scout (Master Doctor, Novice Artisan and Novice Scout = 170 Skill Points). Plus now I have to pay 90cpu for the good Avian meat, or spend a week hunting it myself to get enough for a factory run of Enhance D's. The interdependency of Doctors is what gets to me. I am expected (by some people) to provide buffs at the drop of a hat for the same 5K price that "their friend" (Isn't it odd how everyone knows aDoctor like this?)charges in Theed or Coronet.
Doctors got to be masters by healing people, sometimes just for the xps. Now that we don't need that xps anymore, people still expect the free healing. As medics we did shoot ourselves in the foot by not charging for healing to start with. Doctor is a profession that isn't really profitable until you reach master. Most crafting professions are like this too. Then we get people constantly questioning our pricing.
I'm not saying that Weaponsmiths have it easier or harder than Doctors. But just like your top of the line weapons, nobody ever wants to pay for what buffs are worth. A flamethrower uses 426 units of various resources (according to www.swgcraft.com) which if you mine your own resources could cost less than 1000cr to make (in theory). Now what if someone keeps pointing out how cheap it is to make and saying you're charging X amount. I hear this about buffs all the time, ("Those packs cost you less than 1000cr to make, you're charging too much").
- Travin
Xtremegene
Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:51 pm
#38
Not to bash every single doc out there that buffs or heals for a profit, but I think the major change in the makeup of Doctors since launch and a month or two afterwards is obviously the 'rise of buffs'. At first, pretty much the only Docs on any server were ones that wanted to be one and help out whenever they could, seeing as how the fun grinding by [insert method here]wasn't really prevalent at all. One actually enjoyed working up the tree, collaborating with other like-minded healers, and eventually reaching the much vaunted Master Doc title.
Afterwards, because of the declining appreciation of healers in med centers, since MDs didn't have any other reason to stick around, they didn't. That probably also translated into not healing people wherever, even outside a med center, since they would most likely face the same response as before. Then of course, MDs started using buffs, though at first, not widespread, because of the fun 'buffs reset after crossing server boundaries (or logging off I think as well)'. After that was fixed, there came the trickle, then flood of the buffing buisness. I even was able to buff at a somewhat low rate (4 or 5k I think), though unfortunately the packs I used were not the utmost best (600+ish power, only ASDS, mediocre avian meat). Then more people see the easy money in buffing/buff packs as a MD or even just as a 0-4-4-0 Doc, and that masks/exacerbates the more 'true' Doctors further.
Fast forward a few months, and now this seems to be typical: MDs exist mainly to just buff (and at times rez, though that doesn't really happen as much BECAUSE of the buffs) and not much else. Med centers are just now a congregation of grinding medics/docs, who could give less care to the wounded people who still trickle in there, much to their dismay. I'll admit myself that I also have gravitated away from NPC med centers, and stayed more towards where my PA is based at (though it's not that full all the time), but I'm thinking about heading back to Coronet MC to just sit back and relax and actually enjoy the game as I previously had(and hopefully recruit some decent people too).
Doctors are meant to serve others, but we are not slaves or droids obviously. I bet that some (probably most) docs that are unable to help a certain patient still truly want to, but for obvious reasons will not.
(This has probably be restated in this thread already, but yeah, I just wanted to get this all out )
) As for people charging less than the 'norm', it's either because they truly just feel generous, or have enough money in the world to not care about their finances anymore...which I don't think even now most MDs can state that. Those people seem to be the exception obviously, not the norm. There is pretty much always at least one example that defies a general rule, so not really not that much news.
Message Edited by Xtremegene on 03-20-2004 03:56 PM
Message Edited by Xtremegene on 03-20-2004 03:56 PM
CORVETTEPRINCE
Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:03 pm
#39
We are blessed on Nat. server to have 2 to 3 master Docs on at every planet's major stop and 1 at most hard to get planets on the busy nights. So i dont get harrased nearly at all. I take care of the guild i am inand you can go where you want with little /tells as we have plenty of Docs. This a good thing or bad i dont know, all i know is i can go kill big bad animals with my guild (most time they kill me back) and have a good time. I dont mind healing or reving a nice person who calls out for some help as most times there is atleast another doc with me ot near me to help also.