Doctor Archive
Thread: Am I wrong? Working for tips
Traigus
Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:49 pm
#27
1000 isn't a bad buff. It is at least 2x your base score for heavens sake (unless you have a 1100, then it is still close).
/sigh
-T
/sigh
-T
sweeno987
Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:03 pm
#28
color me rude then. lol. i could care less. im so disgusted with the whole process that i hardly even bother with it anymore. if a person is going to bug me for a buff, i expect them to tip appropriatly. i dont charge a set fee because i dont do it as my main source of income anymore. basically im buffing for free. if a person doesnt show what i consider proper etiquite by tipping appropriatly after they recieve the buff, then i dont generally hassle them too much. i just put them on my ignore list. they are of no further use to me. i do occasionally ask the person the reason behind a particularly low tip. sometimes the answer is just low funds, or some other acceptable reply. in those cases i dont generally put them on ignore. if the reply is, however, that they werent pleased with my buff, or if they just dont seem appreciative enough for my taste, i then put them on ignore. i used to not be such a bitter doc. they can blame it on their fellow players that neglect to show the level of appreciation and respect due to people who are taking time from their gameplay to enhance anothers. i dont have to buff anyone. i would never miss a single penny otherwise earned through buffing. my buffs are good. my toon is as good as a doc toon can get. if its not good enough for a person, then piss on him/her is my philosophy. most of the business i do now is just friends or long time customers that know the proper protocol. my friends i buff for free. i will not accept a tip from them. long time customers have shown the proper respect and appreciation in the past. they can tip whatever they like. i never question the ammount they decide to tip. i consider it a free buff for them in the first place. anyone else, however, better impress me with their "tip" or they will never recieve my services again. just the way i do business. also i no longer heal, cure states, fix wounds, or rez anyone i dont know. this is my perogative and if players in the past would have shown a bit more gratitude for said services, perhaps my outlook on them would be different. people need to realize that if they want something from their fellow players, they should let them know they appreciate the service or there will soon be many more docs just like me.
me and a group of friends were hunting the other night in the force caves. there was another group of 2 people hunting there as well. one commando and one bounty hunter. they were doing by far more dammage than us (my group consisted of 3 master docs and a couple of less developed characters). we asked them to group with us so we could all better share the xp and loot. they declined saying that our group would hinder the ammount of loot and xp they got. we didnt say another word. about 5 minutes later they both needed a rez. who do you think the first people they contacted were? lol. thats right our group of master docs. naturally we declined saying that doing so would hinder the ammount of loot and xp we got.
Ilatzimep
Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:52 pm
#29
Traigus wrote:
1000 isn't a bad buff. It is at least 2x your base score for heavens sake (unless you have a 1100, then it is still close).
/sigh
-T
what i was saying is on that one buff set 4 of the6 stats were under 1k (800 for that matter) and the next buff set i got from the same doc only had one stat over 1k all the others were under 800 as well
Traigus
Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:16 pm
#30
Ilatzimep wrote:
Traigus wrote:
1000 isn't a bad buff. It is at least 2x your base score for heavens sake (unless you have a 1100, then it is still close).
/sigh
-T
what i was saying is on that one buff set 4 of the 6 stats were under 1k (800 for that matter) and the next buff set i got from the same doc only had one stat over 1k all the others were under 800 as well
Still, we have to really train people that all buffs are useful.
I've been B buffing with one of my characters in Kor Vella (one of the Storm Trooper Ganking Capitals of Chilastr).
I charge per point buffed, and people lget a good enouh buff to smack stormies and Imp sergants. They save shuttle money (and shuttle time as well as D buff line waiting), and the cost of overkill buffs, and I make money and XP.
500, 700, 900, it is all good.
Yeah, higher buffs are great, but it is our responsibility as docs to make sure that all buffs are valued (even crappy A buffs
).Without buffs, relatively minor stat migration has huge effects. With around 750 Action secondaries, my Rodian Doctor can /sample forever.
If we as doctors characterize lower buffs as garbage, it only meks peopel more trained to expect/want 3k buffs every time. if people understood both the difficulty of nmaking buffs, and how any buff really helps your character, we would not be treated so badly overall.
-T
Ilatzimep
Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:03 pm
#31
i dunno i've had the worst luck buffing tonight. it really shouldn't be so random
Marrow1
Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:23 am
#32
I buff for tips rather than a fixed charge. If I get a rather low tip I do ask why but I word it such that it is clear that I am only asking to understand why they were not happy. All to often the person is surpised to hear that they tipped low and then they check their account and find that they only had 2k in cash. They then bank tip me more.
Other times the tip is low simple because they dont have the cash or the bank for more. I just tell them that it is ok and hope their hunting goes well. If they have less then 6k then I feel for them. Remember it is just a game and just because you dont know the person does not mean you should not help them out.
The last group is the one in this thread. Those that want to pay less even though they could pay more because they think they deserve more for their money. We all have those moments. My example was when I was in Coronet killing time buffing folks. At the time I have about 2 mil in the bank but felt like hanging out. I let everyone know that they could tip me what they wanted. There were no other docs around so I was not going to undercut anyone. I had good buff packs (~850 or so) and was hitting 1-3k on all stats. I buffed a guy who got all stats in the 1200 ish range. Non below 1k but non over 2k. He then gives me an earfull about how crappy I am as a Doc. I remind thim that my price is "what ever you think it is worth" and that I am just doing this for fun. He then tells me that I am no M. Doc and should not advertise as such. In the mean time I am buffing the next person who is getting 2.5-3k on all stats.
I just have to laugh at these guys and remeber that they (likehitting a600 stat in a 900 power pack) are at the low end of the random role.
Luckily in this game there are far more high roles than low.
Marrow.
Travin64068
Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:23 am
#33
Traigus wrote:
1000 isn't a bad buff. It is at least 2x your base score for heavens sake (unless you have a 1100, then it is still close).
/sigh
-T
Plus with about 1000 point buffs on all your sub stats, you're going to have a hard time spamming enough specials to get your Health or Action to drop. The mind is a different matter all together.
- Travin
Ramew
Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:05 am
#34
MyT_Chicken,
I am curious as to how the new buff pricing worked out for you.
Let us know.
Ra'ma
I am curious as to how the new buff pricing worked out for you.
Let us know.
Ra'ma
EbooAmehe
Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:11 am
#35
I plan to try this evening after work and I'll post as soon as possible. I really appreciate eveyones help and ideas on this matter 
Kirus
Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:08 pm
#36
I use the one credit per unit enhanced price too and I make them pay after each and every buff. Only people who dont pay are people in my group and in my PA.
Traigus wrote:
Yeah, I agree, fixed pricing is bad... especially cross-server fixed pricing.
I've been charging 1cr per point for a while now. The only problem I have with it is, people not paying. Gotta love /report.
-T
awentwor
Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:44 pm
#37
I don't mind set prices for buffs regardless of outcomes. Hey... 800 on a buff is still better than the original 700 I had on that stat. People need to understand that it sometimes happen, we don't plan on it, and we hope it won't happen again. People need to be realists and stop whining cause not everything is exactly the way they want it to be.
That said... when buffs really started to take hold (about 3 or 4 months ago), you could get a complete set of buffs at 2-3k average for 4000 credits. Few months later, we're up to 10,000 credits. You can't tell me that the cost of resources has gone up by 1000 credits per buff per stat. Now... I think charging 8,000 credits is to the high side, but still within limits. Anything more than that is a Doc taking advantage of people. But it's a game, and it's a players perogative to say "No.. you're price is too high". As long as people pay it, Docs will charge it. Plain and simple... there are greedy people out there taking advantage of those in need.
Case and point... The new Dungeon (Bio-Lab). I saw a Doctor camped out at the dungeon selling buffs for 15k for a set of 6. His justification... "I had to pay to come out here in the hope that there were people who needed my services". Give me a break! Blatant rip-off. I just wish there were more people in the game who would tell people like this to piss off.
That said... when buffs really started to take hold (about 3 or 4 months ago), you could get a complete set of buffs at 2-3k average for 4000 credits. Few months later, we're up to 10,000 credits. You can't tell me that the cost of resources has gone up by 1000 credits per buff per stat. Now... I think charging 8,000 credits is to the high side, but still within limits. Anything more than that is a Doc taking advantage of people. But it's a game, and it's a players perogative to say "No.. you're price is too high". As long as people pay it, Docs will charge it. Plain and simple... there are greedy people out there taking advantage of those in need.
Case and point... The new Dungeon (Bio-Lab). I saw a Doctor camped out at the dungeon selling buffs for 15k for a set of 6. His justification... "I had to pay to come out here in the hope that there were people who needed my services". Give me a break! Blatant rip-off. I just wish there were more people in the game who would tell people like this to piss off.
Marrow1
Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:56 pm
#38
Awentwor, I have to disagree with you.
Setting up camp near a theam park (new bio-lab, for example) is a great service to those doing the fighting.
1. If they die and need to be rebuffed they would have to go all the way back to Coronet and hope someone is there.
2. 15k is not so bad when you think that it costs over 7k round trip to Coronet and back.
3. It saves so much time for those who need the survice.
4. Those getting the survice are getting tons of xp and getting loot that can easily pay for the buff (and a whole lot more).
Remember, the cost to the doc is not only the price of his resouces. The true cost is his/her time. Think in these terms. If you were standing next to the newest theam park and told to stand outside while others had fun how much would you want to be paid to just sit around?
Believe me, paying 15k to jump back into the fun is well worth it? I mean, what else is your money for?
Marrow
JasonK
Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:02 pm
#39
awentwor wrote:
I don't mind set prices for buffs regardless of outcomes. Hey... 800 on a buff is still better than the original 700 I had on that stat. People need to understand that it sometimes happen, we don't plan on it, and we hope it won't happen again. People need to be realists and stop whining cause not everything is exactly the way they want it to be.
That said... when buffs really started to take hold (about 3 or 4 months ago), you could get a complete set of buffs at 2-3k average for 4000 credits. Few months later, we're up to 10,000 credits. You can't tell me that the cost of resources has gone up by 1000 credits per buff per stat. Now... I think charging 8,000 credits is to the high side, but still within limits. Anything more than that is a Doc taking advantage of people. But it's a game, and it's a players perogative to say "No.. you're price is too high". As long as people pay it, Docs will charge it. Plain and simple... there are greedy people out there taking advantage of those in need.
Case and point... The new Dungeon (Bio-Lab). I saw a Doctor camped out at the dungeon selling buffs for 15k for a set of 6. His justification... "I had to pay to come out here in the hope that there were people who needed my services". Give me a break! Blatant rip-off. I just wish there were more people in the game who would tell people like this to piss off.
500 cpu avian meat.