Carbineer Archive

lol...i am a teir 1 carbineer. There was a BH with pistol skills that was a declared rebel. Burst Shot him and incap him. Of course his buddy killed me with his rancor but hey? What do you expect with rebels. Anyways my point is, BH carbine is the best for PvP which measns its its other skills are almost usless.

Addressing the BH that are lumping all Carbineers as 'out to get you' Read the post titled Carbineers Top Issues, started by SOJ. There was ONE mention of the BH in that entire post. Here is the tally of the major complaints pulled directly from that post...

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Ok, from reading the following posts, I have determined that the top most issues are as follows:

Specials such as LegShot3, BurstShot2, Crippling Shot, SupressionFire 2 are not working properly and/or not performing as well as their predecessors. No skills achieved at master along with the upgrades not performing as well as they should which gives little reason to master.

Carbine HAM issue: Carbines having too high HAM costs that do not compare to the pistol or rifle. This also applies to carbines that do not require stocks.

The Defense Modifications of carbineers do not match those of the Pistoleer or Riflemen and should be increased/changed. Counterattack, a defensive move, does not work well and needs to be examined for it's effectiveness.

The ineffectiveness of some weapons (such as the elite carbine and DXR6) leaves little room for variety. Other, stronger weapons need to be changed to compete with other carbines so that one or two carbines don't dominate. In other words, stronger (higher cert) carbines should be changed so that there is a reason to pick one up over a DH17 or Laser Carbine.

Consistent spelling of the profession "Carbineer."


From looking at all the posts those are the issues that most people could agree on. If you do not approve of something please tell me. Otherwise, I will be sending this list in later tonight. Thanks to all that replied.
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See all the mentions of BH's in there? There isnt ANY. Pistoleers and Riflemen are mentioned specifically. This is what the majority of Carbineers care about. I dont agree with skill nerfs on anyone, as that is one of the reasons they started that class. I say bring all others up to par. We just want our specific class brought up to par.

Ya can become a Master BH and still have 33 points leftover which they could put towards Carbineer or Pistoleer and get almost 2 full trees which would probably go towards accuracy and speed.

I am working on both skills atm so I do understand your problems, but you have to remember.. Getting to BH novice takes WAY more skillpoints than Novice Carbineer... This being said.. skill point for skill poing carbineer is more powerful because you can get farther up faster. If you take into effect the number of skill points a BH has to use to get those skills it evens out alot.

BH are *supposed* to be ultimate killing machines..

the XP complaint about carbineer vs BH is valid, but im sorry. when it comes down to it, skill points are more important than XP period.

you can always get more and more XP, your skill points are fixed and i know i would rather have to get wice the carbine XP for my BH skills and have more points left over than the way the current system is.

comparing carbineers and bounty hunters is the worst bull i ever heard.

you need like 10 times the skill points for bh, so how can you compare them???

pls compare equal skilled chars, and not totally different professions, thx.

you have to compare a master carab / master ch / master whatever with a master bh. now who wins the 1on1 here? you have to be afk to lose against the bh.

the comparison of exp vs skill points is just as pointless. you gain exp thoughout THE WHOLE GAME. you dont gain a single skill point in that time.

1) think

2) post

thank you.

OverFlouh, I think the general gripe, from what I have read, is that a BH is better at Carbines than a Carbineer. Don't compare skill points that you used making a tent. That doesn't help you with a carbine. A Carbineer spends 92 skill points on carbines. A Bounty Hunter spends 43. That is wear the problems are perceived. A carbineer spends more than twice the points on the weapon. He should be twice as good right?

Maybe I am wrong, and people are talking about PvP, but the skill point arguement is moot if we are talking about carbines.

GaraazzZ

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Even if you figure in the master of the classes, master marksman, novice & master BH, those only add 13. So its 92 vs 56.

ok this is for you "BH needs 217 skill points where carbiner doesn't" people. you are abit limited in your thinking. the BH gets alot more "other skills" for those points where the carbineer only can do that weapon for the points spent.A BH has other skills for those 217 points

So you guys are wrong to try and use skill points needed as a way to say BH's should be better.

the BH is better for one reason and one reason only. most the people want it that way,so sony gives them what they want. mainly in games like this it is he who whines loudest gets the goods.

and for you BH fanboys, every BH in the starwars moives got their asses kicked.

if you want to say BH's need to be the best, then get rid of their other non combat skills.after that if they still need 217 skill points to be better i say let them be lol.

Korlion,

You fail to realize that those "other skills" that BHs get are totally and utterly useless where PvP is concerned. And we are talking about PvP here, are we not?

Obtaining Master Scout does NOT help a BH in combat. Exploration gives the BH the ability to use Burst Run more efficiently and move up hills more quickly. Trapping allows the BH to use traps on creatures, not on other PvP combatants. Hunting allows the BH to gain more from each corpse harvest etc. Camping gives the BH the ability to make camps. All of these skills are non-combat skills.

Mastering Marksman does not help the BH that much either. His training in rifle stops at Rifle 4 in the Marksman skill tree.

Including Master Scout and Rifle 4, that istotal of 91 wasted Skill Points in order to obtain Novice Bounty Hunter. That is one point less than what it takes to completely master, say, Pistoleer or Carbineer.

We are all in agreement that Bounty Hunter is mainly a combat-based class, aren't we? If it takes 217 points, 91 of which are totally worthlessin PvP,to obtain mastery in this class, doesn't it make sense that this class should be able to own someone who has only used 92 skill points for their combat class? For the latter class has the ability to gain TWO other elite combat classes (Rifleman/Carbineer/Pistoleer anyone?) if he was so inclined. Or he could obtain mastery in one elite combat profession and two support professions (Carbineer/Medic/Entertainer).

A Master Bounty Hunter has 33 Skill Points left to spend. Basically, the BH is locked into that one profession with little ability to gain many other skills. So, the BH should own anyone one on one because he does not have the ability to gain other professions to bolster his combat skills. If you disagree with this, you are wrong. Plain and simple.

Okay ive seen this fight go on so many places its not funny about BH vs. everyone else.

1. Madbarbarian, EVERYTHINGS broken (not mad at you, showing my emotions to how EVERYTHING is broken). In short were beta 4.

2. the BH gets his main skill nearly right off the bat, Everyone else tends to get theres 2, 3 even 4 blocks in, ex snipe shot (what ever its called) riflemans ranged DB. And since the BH is one of the first one to show off his skills no one notices that commando whos gonna be throwing 1k damage thermal det like spit balls into your group of pvp friends. Or that sniper who will solo u out in a big fight inc u, then DB with a ranged shot.

3. it took me about 130 150 hours to make novice BH. and ive had this class pegged for the past... bah lets just say original estimated release, june 1/2001.

4.since theres "general" lvls to this game (novice BH, expert BH, novice rifleman, sniper)everyone compares classes, unlike EQ, well my lvl 50 war can kill a lvl 35 pali. But on here its my novice BH can kill that expert um pistolier, how ever u spell it, (ps my spelling sucks remember that).

5. EVERYTHINGS broken, think i mentioned that though, but were playing a new game, its new ideas, its lucas first attempt at a MMORPG. This for his team is like going from writing a romance all your life to trying to write sci-fi novels. (single player, lan multi player flight sims, RTS, and FPS type is what lucas arts is use to) Not to mention SOE can probably bairly get a word in about SWG since Lucas obviously knows nearly every detail about it, he has to he made it.

6. SOE has alot exp in MMORPG, BUT their exp is in "carebear" servers. You didnt fight each other you fought creature upon creature upon creature till u were utterly sick. and each class was well defined in what they did as a group.

7.theres not much in terms of a groups on this game, as said before its still new and the player pop is low due to initial release #'s.

8. one thing I wish you couldnt do was rifleman/carbanier/nov CH. BH/Nov CH, etc. what i wish, is you pick your trade then you had more option that what u have to go down YOUR trade, not someone elses. Even though tis is more realistic since consider a SEAL has the training of a marine, and since the marine has the basics of a regualr inf, he in this game can be considered SEAL/marine/reg. Then again if they did what i just said, the game would be so complex years would be put into a char to max his lvl and no one would want to play because everyone would feel like their developing a 2nd personality oddly very simular to their SWG char

9.Another broken thing, look at your characters not at the BH that just kicked your ass because underhand shot is like the only thing working. example someone compared the carb skills to a BH and someone said they dont work, nerf, nerf. Well give it time let them fix it, if its still unfair then it'll get looked into. But why ask to break something to even your match out just to have them fix it after they fix yours. Would u rather just not accept duels with a BH or continue having inventory reset or random items being stold.

10. EVERYONE wants to be a solo asskicker. They want to be the quarterback they want to be the Rambo who saves the day and kills everyone. Well know your role alot of u are going, "well why cant my sniper go toe to toe with a terakasi student in a hallway". or "why does my terakasi student get killed bya sniper on the dersert". Inshort everyone wants to be running out there all alone, no back up, no mater what the class. Think about it, who ever deployed mass amounts of men in single man squads. Remember this is based on a story in the middle of a war, you have armies, armies have squads (groups for those who still dont know what iam saying), and those people in the squads do different jobs. You have your light machine gun support, your sniper support, front line grunts, med choppers, the secret agent who assasinates the general then runs like hell.

11. my main point is, quit trying to make opinions about unfair here unfair there when your main char probablyisnt even maxed out in exp. and if you are then i doubt you have 3 or more classes thats maxed, beta dont count since its been changing and getting altered. Now i dont exclude myself from this comment, i got caught up in the BH defence too. Till i thought wait a min, then went on and actually looked and compared the different classes (ranged, i dont expect a tailor to whine about why he cant take a BH, and if they are, go read some starwars books). With the calcualtor ifigured out total exp of my weapon skills, where i coulda been in the other ranged classes,if i didnt lvl up all 3 skills plus combat , time invested example how many of u had to run around trapping and stop and harvest every **edit** creature u ran accross, or did u just stand up and run off to the next target, and again did u have explore to run up the hills, etc. think about your class, think about the other persons class, Its all there just doubleclick on the class u want to understand alittle better and have help on so u can hold your curser over the skill or ability and read what it does. and yes everythings broken so dont tell me, <in little girl voice>but it dosnt work. suck it up, from what i heardmy bounties give me 10k of credits i run around get killed 8 times getting to him, then have to solo his deep dark red con. in the end i made a profit of neg 10k as my trips, tips and droids cost an arm and a arse hole. ATM iam novice, but it takes me 1 hour to get 1 guy, making 5k of credits, if his 9k hp ass dosnt kill me in which then i have run out to him for another hour plus healing time, which i might add i HAVE to solo, because me and my brother tried the other day he couldnt even heal me (in group, and out of group) BTW anyone know how to heal a driod, iam potched taking on something that hits for 350 points damage when pets at 15hps and healing at a wooping 1mile an hour.

Well lets see shall we:

Master BH = +50speed, +60 accuracy, as for the knockdowns, underhand is nice 1k damage, fire knockdown does about 400 so underhand is better and confusion shot is pretty useless.

Master Carbine = +45 speed +55 accuracy along with +20 counterattack, +30 accuracy while moving, +4 aiming and 11 special attacks... Scatter shot is next to underhand probably the best PvP attack, you can't really beat 1k damage to multiple pools at level 1 and even more at level 2, that along with Action shot 2, an AoE bleed DoT and paralysing stun...

Thats not even mentioning burst shot which does 1800 odd damage at level 1, the carbines own charge shot which knocks down and at level 2 does an AOE KNOCKDOWN... you've got AoE full auto attacks... jesus carbineers really have _nothing_ to whine about.

Yeah a lot of people have been whining but more than likely they're novice carbineers that got owned by some expert BH with carbine skills himself.. I know i'll be taking more carbine skills than I will BH.

U think acc and speed has EVERYTHNIG to do with the effectiveness of a class... clueless

Carbineer has legshots, bursthots, full autos. BH skillz are to immobilize ur target, nothing to do direct damage or AOE skillz.

You point is ill conceived just as much as most carb vs BH posts in this forum.

On top of that are you a Carbineer Master? Doubtful.
Have any of you ever considered the little difference you are really making a fuss about?

Nice to see all u carbinazis that argue over JUST principle give the rest of us a bad name.