Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbines are ok, but pistols blow them away
Paladyr7 wrote:
But what do you kill people with Kaele?? Our high damage attacks are random pool attacks, that's no good in a fight that won't last two rounds.
doesn't matter what pool crippling shot hits since I hit over 1000 everytime.
do you know what 75% of 1500-3000 is?
do I know it. now I have to do math
out comes the trusty accessories claculator. click click click
1125-2250
Think you got that backwards my friend. What you just described would be a TWENTY FIVE PERCENT reduction. Not, a seventy five percent reduction. What to figure out what 75% would be? Subtract your result from your orginal numbers 1500-300 - 1125-2250
Equals: 375 - 750
Those are the new numbers on the test center. That is a 75% reduction.
GrafBenDa wrote:
I believe for every +10 speed you shave 1/10th of a second off your weapon speed. If you have +40 speed your 4.0 weapon will fire every 3.6 seconds instead
With my 1.9 second scatter pistol and bounty pistol 2, i hit one shot a second now. I have a +50 to speed so far counting all my marksman and BH bonuses. So, I should still fire slower than once per second. I think it must be more than 1/10th a second.
oh 250-750 makes me feel SOOO much better.
so my 300-500 will be reduced to 75-125
with a special move that can only garantee the hits on the action pool? or with pistols health? Things easily healed?
So instead of makeing rifles a 1 shot weapon on anyone but a noncombatant we have changed it to a 1 shot weapon on most wookies and a two shot weapon on most combatants with non combatants eing 3? without any chance of healing.
I'm working commando now but having learned all the ranged weapons I'm going with m carbine with advanced skills.
Erick
Beta 1
Weapon speed is posted on the pistoleer forum under the FAQ post (look for pistol speed in yellow).
+50 carbine would lower your speed by 1/2 (which even looks right..if you have 1.9 scatter, +50 speed, you fire at below 1.0 seconds, but 1.0 seconds is the cap..so 1.0 seconds per shot).
I'm sure reading that you'll come to some conclusions about how effective carbines, no matter how slow they are, are when they are generally AR1-AR2.
At least this is our current conclusion, so don't hang me if it's incorrect 
Hmm...
I am head of a Imperial family. There are 3 of us, Rlent, Balder and me, Ralp Galland.
I am Carbineer, squad leader. Rlent is going the BH way and are working his weapon skills when we are not out gaining FP. Balder is going the smuggler way, and well..hes fairly new, and are up to Pistol Expert...
Today, we were on Talus, gaining FP and hunting rebels as best as we could.
Me and Rlent uses a Beer Von Rockefeller(Best fish weapon crafter on Wanderhome), 21-330 damage at 4.0 speed. Balder is using a old Azraile DL-44 Metal that well, is about 150 max I believe..I cant remember..I gave that gun to Balder...
We usually shoot the rebels first, and then we line up and fire on the base.
Some times, we stop to kill Torturs as we like some hides too and the aprox 1k xp we get from em...
Well heres the point of this post 
We killed quite a few torturs by using legshot 2(me and rlent..I got 3..but I find it not working as well as 2) and bodyshot 2(Balder that schmuck)
Me and Rlent found ourselves alot of the times, compeeting with Balder to bring the Tortur down first.
Usually it went like this:
Health bar at 50% within short time..Balder plugging away at a insane speed..
Action bar at 75% within the same time..Me and Rlent cursing our guns...And in the end, we ended up using full autos and other "hard" carbine specials..just for us 2 to take down the action pool faster than Balder could take the health pool with his lil pistol...
Then, when the tortur is dead...Rlent puts up a camp...and me and Rlent sits down regenerating for a while..sometimes regaining all our action pool from "Not enough pool"(when shootin)......Balder? He isnt even in the camp, he is running around chasing butterflies, looking at the birdies or that scout trooper he saw on the other ridge...He have a minor leak to his HAM..and it will regen within seconds..as he runs around being a goof....
So what does this tell ya?
Pistols shoot fast, and a decent pistol, can almost if not actually..outdamage 2 decent carbines...And dont have to sit down and chitchat after a kill....if the mob didnt hit ya...
Sometimes..I soo feel like shooting Balder..just so he have to relax in camp with me and Rlent..but as the head of family..I have to be the mature one 
Garamond wrote:
75% will be vastly reduced?
do you know what 75% of 1500-3000 is?
do I know it. now I have to do math
out comes the trusty accessories claculator. click click click
1125-2250
I supose its possible to have 1125 mind pool but I would be wondering what that person would be doing in combat. Of course I watched adoctor friend get gunned down because she unbenownst to her accidently got a TEF form healing someone. and for some reason, after I tried to kill the guy for it I couldnt. the option wasnt there. He hten proceeded to turn around and one shot kill me.
ok the TEF wackyness is odd enough and off topic. The point is the reduced rates is still WELL within the limits to kill anyone.
They have trouble one-shotting now against Composite Helms with 44% energy resist. That's 3000 reduced by 75% and then basically halved again. It's not that bad and easily manageable. Also, if they don't one-shot they have a nice 5-6 second wait before shooting again.
If you think rifles are all that great, why not just switch to them? I'm sick of everyone always thinking the grass is greener... I was a rifleman and I gave it up because, first of all, it's not that great and I also didn't enjoy it very much.
Jaegen88 wrote:
Weapon speed is posted on the pistoleer forum under the FAQ post (look for pistol speed in yellow).
+50 carbine would lower your speed by 1/2 (which even looks right..if you have 1.9 scatter, +50 speed, you fire at below 1.0 seconds, but 1.0 seconds is the cap..so 1.0 seconds per shot).
I'm sure reading that you'll come to some conclusions about how effective carbines, no matter how slow they are, are when they are generally AR1-AR2.
At least this is our current conclusion, so don't hang me if it's incorrect
This is the truth, it's just all these whining Carbineers who just want to cry a river for no reason. They claim that rifles are somehow uber but then complain that the Carbine specials take too much HAM. Guys the rifle specials take the SAME FRICKIN AMOUNT OF HAM AS CARBINES! After playing a rifleman, I don't even notice the Carbine HAM usage to be anything out of the ordinary.
Furthermore they complain about Pistoleers outdamaging them when they're STUPIDLY using the EE3 Carbine that has NO AR PENTRATION. Of course that weapon is not going to outdamage a Pistol: it has a lower DPS than an FWG5 which does the same type of damage!
Also the fact that one of the above posters was "dueling" damage with a pistoleer is absurd. When you have a mixed group non-pistols use Full Auto or Overcharge shot. Either that or have the Pistoleer use Overcharge and mix in some Warning Shots. Why the hell would you kill a mob twice over? Also, the trick to killing fast is you don't use anything but the most basic styles (like bleed). That's right, don't use styles, just use standard attacks, you kill slower but get more exp in the long run because you're not sitting on your ass for 10 minutes after each fight.
There are some bugs that definitely need to be worked out, but for the most partthe only thing gimped about Carbines is the people who are playing them.
your guns are slower, thus you dont have same HAM per second as a carbine does. You also are at optimal range farther out than a carbiner which lets you get off more regular shots before they are upon you and you have to use specials to keep them at bay.
Mainly though from after getting much os pistoleer myself for testing purposes, when im using my laser carbine, i simply do not see my attacks as being so **edit** great that they are worth twice the HAM that a pistoleer uses. My friend with a FWG can solo 3 st's at once, if i try doing that and keeping them at bay periodically with AOE KD im nearly dead half way through the second one and theres is no way I could do it at all without being a medic. They wanna complain about AR? then lower our damage a bit then, hell i wouldnt care as long as i could use my specials. Its not all about damage, I think any experienced pvper or pve'er will agree that being able to use yor specials is key in a fight, whether stunnign the enemy, KD, whatever. A slightly longer fight is no big deal if you can keep yourself in good shape and be able to jump right into a fresh one immediately once its finished.
Well yeah.
I'll go fer that.
Pistols have some darn good specials,
and are very good for PvP...
That said,
and it's true!
Carbs are by far my preferred weapon.
I think, from lookin at alot of the posts here,
that alota folks are looking at this from a PvP standing...
Or,
tryin ta say which wep is the ULTIMATE one.
Well...
someone liked Rifle,
saw it as king a the hill.
bully fer them!
I look at Pistol and say
"Yeah, like that Pistol Whip, an that Eye shot, ain't so bad itself."
So,
I'm BH, why don't I switch?
I bein' all Carb, that is.
Well,
comes down to how I like ta play.
Yeah,
I've had some Pistol Dude tryin ta show me up, standin alongside my shoulder whackin away a mile a minute on my Fambaa.
Big deal.
I still scored 3200 outa 3800 Wep XP from it and...
Next thing I took was the whole dang lair! hehehe
Ain't never had no problem with a little Pistoleero boy whackin in on my kills then...
Ain't sure why...
Could have something ta do with them grabbin the aggro of the whole dang nest and not knowin what ta do with it,
and,
well.
That's my thing.
I like alota critters.
BH gives me some fine People Buffers. that Knockdown is nice fer some guy tryin ta whack on me.
Comes down to who gets in the first knockdown on alota those duels/ ganks.
If I were pure PvP, though, I think I'd go Pistol. -- Especially with the BH mods! they are sweet.
Bein' as I like ta hunt lairs and large groups... Solo
(there's a dang burn note, Don't go just invitin people ta group without askin em! hehe)
As I was sayin'
It's all in what you like to do.
Don't think I could get used ta the quiet life of a Rifle man, always sneakin around, plannin their shots an all.
But that's a real nice life fer some,
makes em ferget sliced Bread.
same with Pistol.
Some folks like it,
gosh knows ya can solo most anything,
well.
Long as it's just a couple at a time...
hehe
Ssonashe Tearer
Big time Dabbler
and proud of it
Hey Ma! No hands!