Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbineer...is it true the Bounty Hunter Carbine skill is far better???
I had seen in other post that the BH has a far better carbine skill then the master carbineer. Is this true...I hope not?
How can a class that specs in only one weapon be worst then a class that specs in many types of weapons. And please do not tell me that it is harder to spend your 250 points training in BH for that is bull. All players will max out their skills, many of which will be ELITE, not just the BH.
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Xytroncore, I am not sure why you make your statement? Knockdowns seem to be the best attack in PvP, so many BH's are using carbines.
In the instance of carbineer vs BH using a carbine
- Carbineer has close to equal accuracy bonus (55 vs.60 if I counted right)
- Carbineer has close to equal speed bonus (35vs. 50)
- Carbineer has +30 accuracy while moving, the BH has none.
- Carbineer has 15% defense vs. knockdown, the BH has none.
- Carbineer has counter attack bonus, the BH has none.
- Carbineer has a carbine aiming bonus, the BH has none
- Carbineer has AOE attacks, the BH has none (in the carbine weapon line)
- Both use the same carbine weapons
- Both have knockdown attacks
Why do you say that the Bounty hunter is SO much better? Or does it involve the BH switching weapons? I have never seen a BH use anyting in PvP yet besides a carbine and a pistol.
I don't care how many points BH takes to get -- if they're the best in pvp (or combat in general), then that's what everybody will be. And that would suck. I sure didn't think that those squads of stormtroopers were bounty hunters, lead by a squad leader. I figured they were carbineers and riflemen lead by a squad leader. But if BH continues to be the hands down best combat profession in not one but two weapon types (and getting mind hits covered by those weapon types), then that's exactly what we'll see.
If I had my way, BH would be nothing but *maybe* the lightning cannon line and investigation line, spread out into 4 trees, and with the ability to use the bounty terminals. Then it would be reduced in prereq cost by only requiring master scout and the marksman ranged support lines. It would then be *up to the bounty hunter* to become an excellent combatant by taking the same carbineer, rifleman, or pistoleer skills that everybody else does. The difference being that a BH gets to hunt bounties.
And to the above poster -- get it right, master BH is 217 skill points, I have no clue where you got 218.
kaffis, fortunately you dont get your way. BH are a profession designed around pvp superiority and nothing else, period. they hunt people not creatures. if people dont understand that by now, i dont think they ever will so who cares.
second, i do read the boards like most other people. what about the +30 to accuracy while moving? those bonuses even if they arent where they should be are alot more than a BH gets since they get none. you cant say knockdown cause carbineer has knockdown too. as far as the xp costs, im sorry, but id much rather have to get 4x as much xp to have bh skills and have left over points. as much as you people complain about it, not a single one of you would really trade the xp for skillpoints once you tried it. xp is a pain in the beginning, in the long run, your available skill points is a much much bigger deal.
Yes i can see how that completely ruins my arguments... The master box used to cost 2 points, guess they reduced it to 1, bringing it inline with the old advanced professions at 63 points also.
If they followed your suggestion noone would be a BH, because as you say the combat moves would be in carbineer. Also your draw from the movies making some speculation. Well heres a new thought for you: this is a game not the movie. People play what they want, not what they think is correct according to the movies, making your points void. If one class is overpowered alot will play it, we all know that. Currently i think BH is quite weak compared to other classes, which is also why its being buffed in the next patches:
http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/in_development.jsp?page=In%20Development
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Not true. No profession is designed to be superior in PvP. That would ruin the game. If the BH is so, expect some nerfs and some buffs to the other classes.
Regarding the rest of the discussion ... Is a fully spec'd BH superior to many or all character templates fully spec'd as combat professions (e.g., a char with brawler, pistoleer, carbineer)? That is the question.
>>we must remember than BH is all about offensive power, that what a BH is.<<
Actually BH is a hybrid classobtained from mastering two first tier professions: marksman, anoffensive class and scout, a non-offensive class. Hybrids are not 'all about anything'. They sacrifice mastery of any single skill to train in several skills and thus gain the versatility that they need to be a BH and to work more effectively as an individual. Skills like tracking with the use of droids, scouting skills, and yes good weapons skills are necessary but since when does the ability to dish out an assload of damage define BH's as a class?
As a carbineer, i have been using carbines from the very beginning and will continue to train that skill to Master Carbineer--the top of the skill tree, the highest it can go. What does that make a carbineer? A good pet class? I think its safe to say that a carbineer (as well as a pistoleer and rifleman)is all about offensive power, not the BH.
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>>You use 154 skill points just to qualify for novice BH
You use 29 skill points to qualify for novice Carbineer
Now tell me why carbineer is comparable to BH<<
BECAUSE a BH spends 72 of those 154 skill points peeling skins off dead animals, foraging berries, making grenades out of pinecones and pitching tents in the wilderness and 43 more of those points training rifle and pistol skill half-way up the skill tree, and 14 more of those points training in carbines only half-way up the skill tree.
A carbineer will use 36 points training in carbine skills alone-not including the 15 points for novice marksman--the BH spends 14 points on carbine skill skill., and just to be nice lets give the BH the extra 6 points it takes to get marksman mastery even though that is not a carbine specific skill. Thats 20. Overall a BH does spend more on weapons skills but as i mentioned in the earlier post, that just gives the class versatility not offensive power. It doesnt matter if you train in 3 weapons or 10 weapons, you can only use one at a time.
You guys have still not answered my questions from above. I showed that a carbineer was equal or superior in almost every skill and attack yet you say the BH is SO much more powerfull. Why? Someone said that the defenses that the carbineer gets are not that great. If you read my post I showed how the carbineer gets them and the BH gets NONE. So I would rather have +15 defense against knockdown that does not do that much than +0 that does nothing ???
Why is the BH so much better? Do they have some kind of hidden skill that makes them so great that is not shown in the skill bonuses? Do they secretly have more hp or something? Or are some of you just bandwagoning? Don't forget that some of the superior players are going BH because pre-game it was being touted as a superior class. Maybe that is why they may be beating you so badly.
Oh, and dont forget that someone with a novice BH may also have other class skills. Maybe whoever was beating you was a carbineer and had some BH skills. That would mean they had all your skills plus some others.
- Carbineer has 15% defense vs. knockdown, the BH has none.
- Carbineer has counter attack bonus, the BH has none.
Oh big flipin deal, 15 points in each of couter and knockdown defence, I have yet to NOT be knockeddown in PVP fight when one is used against me, so wow, my knockdown deffence is really worth that 425k carbine XP eh?
It really needs to be up around 30 knockdown deffence and 30 counter attack to make it actually seem good.
littlebunny, you hit it right on the head.
people look at the small advantage that BH has in accuracy and speed but completely disregard the various carbineer bonuses with defense and accuracy when moving(good for pvp). I think carbineer is fairly balanced with BH. we must remember than BH is all about offensive power, that what a BH is.