Carbineer Archive

BH is for 1v1 primarily. So if you’re looking to kill ppl 1v1 ur just cheating urself going carbineer.

If you want to be a well rounded carbine user go carbineer.

If you want to be a 1v1 pker, don’t waste ur time with carbineer, go BH or both.

I'm sick and tried of ppl thinking some classes should be able to compete with a BH 1v1. If the game is balanced right BH should own all 1v1.

Ok, I'll buy that. But what happens when PvP is so fast-paced and surprise oriented, that it is nothing but a bunch of 1-on-1 fights strewn together? Especially when the per-shot damage and knockdowns make it so that often the loser doesn't even touch the winner?

It's not like I have a problem with this kind of PvP -- I think it makes sense in a Star Wars world, since it's not like you see a lot of wounding shots with blasters in the movies. HOWEVER, in such a PvP environment, a profession meant to dominate everybody else one-on-one will dominate all PvP. And that's the problem.

I have been in many raids and battles. I tell u one thing. It's almost never 1v1, it's ppl picking off others that arent even paying attention to you. Then BAM u get killed by a CHers pet.

The issue is not who can beat who 1vs 1 here the issue is the carbineer profession; however since youre on the subject, a full spec combat profession, whether it be carbineer, pistoleer or rifleman should be dealing more DPS than any other class, including the BH (a non-focused hybrid) in their respective weapon spec.

No one here is anti-BH, but come on, what do you expect when you train in 3 different weapon types 50% of the way up the skill tree? A BH will be versatile by being proficient at pistol/rifle/carbine and have nasty specials unique to his/her profession but there is no way any hybrid, inc the BH should ever be able to outdamage a full-spec carbineer.

Master BHtakes 217 skill pts out of 250.

Master Carbineer takes 92 skill pts.

That includes all pre-reqs obviously, why on earth do you thinkthat a class that takes 92 skill pts should out damage a class that takes 217?

What people seem to fail to realise is that BH profession is character defining, if you master it you have very few skill points to do anything else.

Mastering Carbineer on the other hand isn't, you can be a Master Combat Medic on top of that or Master Medic & CH..

You seriously can't expect balance between 2 professions that are on opposite ends of the skill point spectrum.. character vs character balance is possible between 2 chars with max'd out skills but nothing else is.

I don't think any Carbineers object to the idea that Bounty Hunters should be better at individual combat than another advanced profession.

The objection is that, presently, Bounty Hunters are better at combat with a carbine than a carbineer.

Therebetter with a carbine because of the Bounty Carbine Specialization tree in their profession. I guarantee you that a maser Carbineer against a Master BH, just using default attack, no special abilities, the carbineer would win. Its the bounty hunter specific special abilities, like Underhand Shot and Torso Shot and Eye Shot that give them that big addvantage.

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Therebetter with a carbine because of the Bounty Carbine Specialization tree in their profession. I guarantee you that a maser Carbineer against a Master BH, just using default attack, no special abilities, the carbineer would win. Its the bounty hunter specific special abilities, like Underhand Shot and Torso Shot and Eye Shot that give them that big addvantage.

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You make this guarantee despite statistics displayed IN THE GAME that say that a BH has better aim and speed than a master carbineer?

I'm not saying that I don't think what you say isn't how it *should* work, but it doesn't look like that's the way it is now.

Omni got the point. You can master Carbine and also raise the BH Carbine tree up to Specialization4

Pretty hardcore imho..

BH has marginally better accuracy and speed. the carbineer has defensive bonuses and....+30 to accuracy while moving and ive found that to be extremely useful in pvp. they have a hard time hitting you on the run and even if they do, you dont get knocked down as much as someone else would. i think the abilites balance themselves out, the issue is the amount of xp spent to get there up the tree. personally, i think the BH carbine tree should cost 4X the xp for each box. i wouldnt complain and i think it would balance out some of the issues.

>>That includes all pre-reqs obviously, why on earth do you thinkthat a class that takes 92 skill pts should out damage a class that takes 217?<<

Because a master carbineer is putting those 92 points into nothing but the Carbine skill, a master bounty hunter is not. Thus a master carbineer is full specced in carbines, a BH is not. The BH is a hybrid class, a carbineer is not.

What on earth made you think that a class that requires you to get master scout and then train 3 different weapon skills--only half way up the skill tree--was going to be the uberest damage output class? Once you get novice bountry hunter, your weapon training skills are pretty much over unless you spend the 33 points left over after master BH training in carbineer, pistoleer or rifleman. The only thing your paying for after novice BH is some class-unique specials and a few bonus's. While some of those specials are nice and you may very well kill a a carbineer in a 1vs1 fight using them, when it comes to base damage a carbineer is going to tear up a BH whether he uses a carbine, pistol or rifle.

Here is what you carbineers doesnt get. You all say carbineers should be better at carbine then a BH since a BH can use 3 different weapons. What you forget is that you can only use 1 weapon at a time. It doesnt matter if you have a 1000 dam carbine and 10 dam other weapons or a 1000 dam carbine and 1000 dam other weapons, because in both cases you will just be using the best one.

If you can do 1000 dam with your carbine why whould you switch to a pistol in pvp? the resists vs. them are the same. So saying that BH should be overall better, but weaker in the weaponskill then the weapon specialists doesnt work in a game where you can only use 1 weapon at a time, because nomatter what weapon the BH equips he will then be weaker then the other classes. It makes no sense speaking of overall better or worse in other words.

But the Dev's know this and they have repeadetly said that the BH is only second to a jedi 1vs1. Search for the dev posts with bounty hunter in them and you will find the quotes.

In essence a Carbineer should win against a Bounty Hunter while using a carbine. After all,a Carbineercompleted 5 carbine trees,a Bounty Hunter only completed 2.In overall 1v1, a Bounty Hunter should win because that is their job. But I think commando should beatbounty hunter because I would like to seea bounty hunter dodge the area effect blast of a rocket or a thermal det. I do not find that reasoning with these professions willbring forth any answer. I think we merely have to take them for what they are.