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Thread: The Jedi Census Phenomenon (anyone who thinks there are too many, read this)
b) An organization of people united by a common fraternal bond or social aim.
c) A group of people upon whom a government or sovereign has formally conferred honor for unusual service or merit, entitling them towear a special insignia: the Order of the Garter.
d) A social class. Often used in the plural: the lower orders.
e) A class defined by the common attributes of its members; a kind.
pulled these off of yahoo education, references, dictionary...under "order"
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 07-29-2005 10:40 PM
for the record, In the Star Wars universe, Jedi is not a religion, it is a title, or the name of the order. yes, I am one in game, no I do not consider myself part of the "jedi religion" and, I might add, nothing in cannon or the EU goes against the numbers of Jedi we see in the VEU of SWG...for every one Jedi there are millions of nameless, rank and file soliders, farmer, merchants, etc.
The Jedi census phenomenon was a grassroots movement in 2001 for citizens in a few English-speaking countries to record their religion as "Jedi" or "Jedi Knight" (after the fictitious order from the Star Wars films) on the national census, apparently as a very large-scale practical joke.
The campaign was loosely organized by circulating emails claiming that if enough people entered "Jedi", it would be recognized as an official religion by the government. The emails also implored people to report their religion as "Jedi" "because you love Star Wars" or "just to annoy people". Other reasons that have been suggested for this behaviour have included frivolity, a protest or mockery of the census or religion, or a desire to claim or pretend that one is a Jedi.
In Australia more than 70,000 people declared themselves members of the Jedi in the 2001 census, while 53,000 listed themselves as Jedi in New Zealand and 20,000 listed themselves as Jedi in Canada.
In England and Wales 390,000 people (0.7%) stated their religion as Jedi on their 2001 Census forms, surpassing Judaism and making it the fourth largest reported religion in the country. The highest such responses were typically in cities with high student populations. The percentages of religious affiliations (excluding atheists and non-respondents) were:
- Christian: 94.0%
- Muslim: 3.1%
- Hindu: 1.1%
- Jedi: 0.7%
Jedi is still not recognised as an "official" religion in any nation where the movement took place; however, it was assigned its own code in the United Kingdom for census processing. Officials from the British Office for National Statistics have pointed out that just because "Jedi Knight" has been given its own code, that does not confer on it the status of official recognition; it merely means that it has been registered as a common answer to the "religion" statistic.
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 07-29-2005 05:45 PM
If you watch the DVD special features for the origial trilogy pack, you will indeed see that Lucas designed Jedi and the Force around a variety of religions and consulted experts- so forth, to best represent the force via those influences in the story. Its referred to by outsiders, Moff Tarkin called it religion, Solo put a wild non-believers spin on it during lukes initial saber training as well. Its not a title, its a way of life- if not a religion. Either way, just because you put jedi on your census doesn't mean you can choke a guy out at 10 meters.
As to your statements about everyone in the galaxie having the option of taking jedi, and many having done so, and being a not-so-uncommon site not going against the movies... ah, Watch part IV, the game is set just after the end.
Message Edited by Qwad on 07-29-2005 03:18 PM
I wouldn't exclude atheists and agnostics, as I'm one - if you called me, I'd sure as hell Jedi, just for sh1ts and giggles. I remember this, and it was just plain silly.
Quiet420 wrote:
The percentages of religious affiliations (excluding atheists and non-respondents) were:
- Christian: 94.0%
- Muslim: 3.1%
- Hindu: 1.1%
- Jedi: 0.7%
TheMadCoder wrote:
I wouldn't exclude atheists and agnostics, as I'm one - if you called me, I'd sure as hell Jedi, just for sh1ts and giggles. I remember this, and it was just plain silly.
Quiet420 wrote:
The percentages of religious affiliations (excluding atheists and non-respondents) were:
- Christian: 94.0%
- Muslim: 3.1%
- Hindu: 1.1%
- Jedi: 0.7%
Atheist = Believes there is no god, therefore it can't be a "religion"
Agnostic = Believes there is no way to tell if there is or isn't a higher power, therefore can't be a "religion"
lucas designed the jedi around earth religions, the jedi order was not a religion, neither was the force however. moff also called its practicioners sorcerors, and solo said a good blaster beat the force HAHA
it is a way of life, not a religion, in the star wars universe
the movies dont show a single TKA, or CHEF, or ARMORSMITH, or TAILOR, or ARTISIAN, or WEAPONSMITH, or RANGER, or ARCHITECHT, or COMBAT MEDIC, ornon-droid DOCTOR, or IMAGE DESIGNER....they are not supported by the movies at all
however, according to the EU, not only did the emporer train his own "dark jedi" he trained all types of lesser force users, in addition, there were no less than 3 unturnedsurvivors of the Jedi order, other than those in the movies....for all we know,one or more of themtraveled to a remote section of Dathomir, and made an attempt at founding, years before Luke succeeded, the new jedi order, students of which, while armed with minimal training, scattered to develop their skills with the force, eventually developing their own enclave and organizing themselves....and while this is going on, there are always those who seek power for its own purpose, who established their own seperate enclave....none of this contradicts ANYTHING in the movies or the EU....and it is now part of the VEU...you can't argue history.
Quiet420 wrote:lucas designed the jedi around earth religions, the jedi order was not a religion, neither was the force however. moff also called its practicioners sorcerors, and solo said a good blaster beat the force HAHA
it is a way of life, not a religion, in the star wars universe
the movies dont show a single TKA, or CHEF, or ARMORSMITH, or TAILOR, or ARTISIAN, or WEAPONSMITH, or RANGER, or ARCHITECHT, or COMBAT MEDIC, or non-droid DOCTOR, or IMAGE DESIGNER....they are not supported by the movies at all
however, according to the EU, not only did the emporer train his own "dark jedi" he trained all types of lesser force users, in addition, there were no less than 3 unturned survivors of the Jedi order, other than those in the movies....for all we know, one or more of them traveled to a remote section of Dathomir, and made an attempt at founding, years before Luke succeeded, the new jedi order, students of which, while armed with minimal training, scattered to develop their skills with the force, eventually developing their own enclave and organizing themselves....and while this is going on, there are always those who seek power for its own purpose, who established their own seperate enclave....none of this contradicts ANYTHING in the movies or the EU....and it is now part of the VEU...you can't argue history.
What the h3ll is your point seriously?
Jimmies_SF wrote:
And we don't see millions of rank and file soldiers, we see like 100 a day (not counting other players), and 10 or so jedi. Or maybe I shouldn't say we. Maybe I should say, I don't see... maybe I'm a jedi magnet.... or maybe.... maybe they're in my head.
how many npc's have you seen in your entire time playing the game? what, 100 a day, 500, 1000? times how many days? and how much longer will you play?
I've killed tens of thousands of rank and file imperials, and untold hundreds ofthousands of other npc's.
Qwad wrote:
TheMadCoder wrote:
I wouldn't exclude atheists and agnostics, as I'm one - if you called me, I'd sure as hell Jedi, just for sh1ts and giggles. I remember this, and it was just plain silly.
Quiet420 wrote:
The percentages of religious affiliations (excluding atheists and non-respondents) were:
- Christian: 94.0%
- Muslim: 3.1%
- Hindu: 1.1%
- Jedi: 0.7%
Atheist = Believes there is no god, therefore it can't be a "religion"
Agnostic = Believes there is no way to tell if there is or isn't a higher power, therefore can't be a "religion"
that there are as many Jedi as there are, and will be more, and that is the VEU....cannon and EU in no way are violated by that fact.
Qwad wrote:
What the h3ll is your point seriously?