Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: I don't know what BHs are complaining about....
So which is it folks...do players lie when they come in here to whine about Jedi being overpowered, or do they lie when asked for some "hard numbers"?
I would question the source of the information personally. I won't provide my information NOT becuase I'm ashamed...but because the majority of Jedi mission that I took were AFK Kashyyyk Jedi. Now if I post that I have 23 Jedi kills that doesn't really mean I took on and killed 23 Jedi. That just means I found 23 Jedi who didn't care if they were found AFK because the amount of XP that I could take from thim by killing them, could be "made up" in very little time. Hell, I'll lose 30K in XP just so long as I made 300K before I lost the 30K.
Bottom line:
If your being honest, Kool and the Gang, if your not, and you just don't want to "look bad"...next time just hand the Devs the nerf bat, it will save us all a little time.
If you want to know what I'm complaining about...read the sig. I HAVE lost more mission then completed, although that might not be the case if my targets didn't hit for over 1200K while I simply try to stand up. Who know?
Tucheck wrote:
If you look at the numbers in this thread by Tanks you will see a greater number of kill then losses. Unless players are lying about their wins and losses, it doesn't look like Jedi are overpowered at all.
So which is it folks...do players lie when they come in here to whine about Jedi being overpowered, or do they lie when asked for some "hard numbers"?
I would question the source of the information personally. I won't provide my information NOT becuase I'm ashamed...but because the majority of Jedi mission that I took were AFK Kashyyyk Jedi. Now if I post that I have 23 Jedi kills that doesn't really mean I took on and killed 23 Jedi. That just means I found 23 Jedi who didn't care if they were found AFK because the amount of XP that I could take from thim by killing them, could be "made up" in very little time. Hell, I'll lose 30K in XP just so long as I made 300K before I lost the 30K.
Bottom line:
If your being honest, Kool and the Gang, if your not, and you just don't want to "look bad"...next time just hand the Devs the nerf bat, it will save us all a little time.
If you want to know what I'm complaining about...read the sig. I HAVE lost more mission then completed, although that might not be the case if my targets didn't hit for over 1200K while I simply try to stand up. Who know?
You need to take into consideration that more than 50% of the jedi kills we get are from the AFK grinders, and the jedi that are stupid enough to duel smack in the middle of theed.
I want to see the numbers of actually "both sides are ready" fights. Then we'll talk. I bet there are more jedi wins than losses in all honesty. Jedi ARE overpowered still and not to mention half of the exploits they STILL use every day to get more of an advantage. Would you like to also count the number of MLS/MDef jedi's that are STILL using pre-cu sabers that do INSANE damage? Let's not go THERE.
Also...lets not forget than probably ALOT of people that are responding to Tanks post have a jedi ALT and do NOT want to see their precious jedi prof get nerfed, so they might give bogus numbers to Tanks just so no more nerfs happen.
Take all of this into consideration as well people.
Garret1 wrote:
yo tru.. the Bounty Hunters who are having the success are in game killing jedi.. the ones having trouble come here to seek help.. so obviously you will see more posts saying "why cant i kill a full temp jedi with my T-21 and my composite?" you wotn see a lot of posts about "I killed this many jedi today.." People will always whine.. the jedi forums have just as many whiners lol..
I disagree....players are people (obvious enough I know), and ALL are prone to human nature. Check out the Jedi forums and TRY to not trip over the "Stupid noob BHs are at it again, read how I killed 5 in one hour" threads.
Most people gloat, that's just how it is. Now the BH forums have had a few of "How to kill fully templated Jedi, I do it all the time" threads....but the whole "Hadden" defense doesn't work. Just because succesful BHs don't post every kill does NOT mean they are as prevalent as Tanks "facts" thread would suggest.
People who enjoy the game post on the forums as well.
There is a lot said in there, and I HOPE the message came across...but there is a lot of talk about the "double spin". Sorry for that.
Tucheck wrote:
If you look at the numbers in this thread by Tanks you will see a greater number of kill then losses. Unless players are lying about their wins and losses, it doesn't look like Jedi are overpowered at all.
So which is it folks...do players lie when they come in here to whine about Jedi being overpowered, or do they lie when asked for some "hard numbers"?
I would question the source of the information personally. I won't provide my information NOT becuase I'm ashamed...but because the majority of Jedi mission that I took were AFK Kashyyyk Jedi. Now if I post that I have 23 Jedi kills that doesn't really mean I took on and killed 23 Jedi. That just means I found 23 Jedi who didn't care if they were found AFK because the amount of XP that I could take from thim by killing them, could be "made up" in very little time. Hell, I'll lose 30K in XP just so long as I made 300K before I lost the 30K.
Bottom line:
If your being honest, Kool and the Gang, if your not, and you just don't want to "look bad"...next time just hand the Devs the nerf bat, it will save us all a little time.
If you want to know what I'm complaining about...read the sig. I HAVE lost more mission then completed, although that might not be the case if my targets didn't hit for over 1200K while I simply try to stand up. Who know?
The poll tanks is taking is to get an idea on Bounty Hunters experiences with the hunting changes with publish 20. If he wanted test data on bounty hunter versus jedi combat issues Im sure he will make another thread for that.
The fact that the majority of Jedi missions you took ended up on Kashyyyk and you were able to complete atleast 23 of them is the kind of information he was looking for. Ifyou lose more missions than you complete you are a failure as a bounty hunter. Thats a seperate issue than the information Tanks was looking for.
Ehon - Radiant
It could be my luck but I have yet to pull an afk grinder or a padiwan worth less 200k. Some were won from catching the Jedi off guard, others by wearing out the Jedi, and most have the Jedi running away. My only death was thanks to the KD bug.
Any fight with a defender that goes beyond the initial surprise has 90% chance of the fight lasting for an hour or more. Even though this is a sign of a fair fight, it is also indiciative of a broken system. Stalemates, win or lose, are boring for both sides.
Neutral Imperial Agent
Let's take this post for example:
This is a COMPLETELY different issue and another reason why there needs to be a complete fix done to jedi skills, etc.
Posted by: Asuph
MBH/MRM 4000CM
Ive accepted about 100 missions total, all in the last week. (Accepted means talked to Spynet, and launched Arrakyd)
About 30% of them are on Kashyyyk, so well say 30. Only 1 of these did i go after, and i did get the kill only because she was near the starport.
8complete missions with payout : 102k, 110k, 156k, 182k, 219k x 2, 224k, 226k.
Lost3 missions form the jedi just outrite beating me...
Lost5-10 missions from jedi who cloaked just before they ran out of force. (while in combat) GRRRR!
Lost 1 mission from a jedi suiciding on a krayt.
Lost between 10 and 20 from jedi being afk in there house, or The Village.
Lost 3 from jedi being in the DWB just past the airlock. (im unable to enter with my BH)
Could not complete10-20 from jedi going offline while tracking, sometimes even before i can launch an arrakyd.
Lost several battles with the "you cannot KD recover while KD'ed" message.
Droped some missions because they were at the DWP POI, before i drove all the way there.
8 successful jedi missions out of 100?? Are you kidding me?! That is ridiculous. Something needs to be done.
1 - Fix the "you cannot KD recover while KD" message
2 - Make it so jedi can't cloak while in combat. Completely ridiculous.
3 - Make it so if a jedi suicides while in a fight with a BH, they still lose xp and the BH still gets paid out.
4 - Make it so when a jedi is getting beat by a BH, a nearby jedi friend can't do a DB on the almost dead jedi to prevent the BH from getting paid out.
5 - Fix the LOS exploit on ryatt trail. (This is STILL not fixed yet)
Shall I keep going?
From the answer to tanks questions there (even if they were only a ahdnfull or so) don't give me a positive impression.
They just confirm that the Bh profession at the minute is frustrated. And if th jedi are being honest they are enjoying the way things are, in relation to the BH state of afairs at this point.
Crash752 wrote:
If you lose more missions than you complete you are a failure as a bounty hunter.
Ehon - Radiant
Please don't post anymore.....I'm scared your ignorance may be contagious.
You say you fail the majority of your missions. Please explain for me how this does not make you a failure as a bounty hunter?
Tucheck wrote:
Crash752 wrote:
If you lose more missions than you complete you are a failure as a bounty hunter.
Ehon - Radiant
Please don't post anymore.....I'm scared your ignorance may be contagious.
Crash752 wrote:
You say you fail the majority of your missions. Please explain for me how this does not make you a failure as a bounty hunter?
Tucheck wrote:
Crash752 wrote:
If you lose more missions than you complete you are a failure as a bounty hunter.Ehon - Radiant
Please don't post anymore.....I'm scared your ignorance may be contagious.
Many were just dropped....Jedi offline.