Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Money, Content, Power, Impunity: Bounty Hunter, the new and improved end game.
_Apache wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Let them nerf us down to a "normal" profession. People will quit playing Jedi and we'll be removed from the BH terminals. I don't give a rat's patoot about being uber. The only time my relative strength against a normal profession ever ever ever ever concerns me is when someone's trying to take my hard-earned exp away.Take away the BH's, and I'd be just as happy if they knock the numbers on Jedi abilities down to a normal profession.
You want Jedi brought down to a normal profession? Ok, that's spiffy. They'll have to take away BH missions too. I"m cool with that. I assume the rest of you are too.
First off, I would like to say that this is not a flame, Leatherneck..
However I disagree with the "Hard Earned Exp" statement. As a BH, I watch the Padawans grow. And they are growing fast. I am always surprised to see Jedi that were 90k marks, skyrocket to 200k marks in 2 weeks tops. Alot of times in even less time. Easily approaching a Full Template with a quickness. And this coupled with the fact that therehas been an explosion of BH since the CU, and the Majority of BH actively hunting Jedi, makes me doubt that BH's are really hurting the Jedi grinds all that much.
Just last night I killed a Jedi who was AFK grinding on the Webweaver Trail. Sometime later when he finally got back from being AFK, he sent me a /tell saying that even though my killing him cost him 175k exp...He still had over 200k exp. And proceeded to laugh, and carry on.
So the EXP losses to Jedi is becoming less and less significant.
But then again, maybe its just me. I could be wrong.
I see your point.
But not everyone takes the cheap way out.
Maybe I'm the one being stupid, doing things the hard way.
Maulinar wrote:
I think most of the changes are positive, just all the MDef sheep who had noimagination to come up with something original are whinging.
In my opinion the BH hunting the smart jedi and not the FOTMthe job just got harder, but thats just my opinion which is worthless. Hopefully you guys will work out who the dumb ones are (more often then not the E-bay sort who have little or no idea) on your respective servers and act accordingly.
As a full template Jedi even I realise that when your almost beat and 3 seconds later your full health again, something is a little out of balance.
pfft if you think mdef was hurt by these changes you are wrong. In fact the added costs to heals will ensure more jedi go mdef.
Nerfing sap just made it easier to justify picking up fr2.
all in all pub 19s changes will effect a few people but i dont look at it as the sky is falling. Avoid Incap isnt a great pvp move anyway so in the end the defenders came out relatively unscathed.
Troof!
Hnglka wrote:
Maulinar wrote:
I think most of the changes are positive, just all the MDef sheep who had noimagination to come up with something original are whinging.
In my opinion the BH hunting the smart jedi and not the FOTMthe job just got harder, but thats just my opinion which is worthless. Hopefully you guys will work out who the dumb ones are (more often then not the E-bay sort who have little or no idea) on your respective servers and act accordingly.
As a full template Jedi even I realise that when your almost beat and 3 seconds later your full health again, something is a little out of balance.
pfft if you think mdef was hurt by these changes you are wrong. In fact the added costs to heals will ensure more jedi go mdef.
Nerfing sap just made it easier to justify picking up fr2.
all in all pub 19s changes will effect a few people but i dont look at it as the sky is falling. Avoid Incap isnt a great pvp move anyway so in the end the defenders came out relatively unscathed.
There are allot of bhs reason.
1) To take their own jedi mission with 1,2,3,4,5 alts or have their guildtake theirmission to hold.
2) pvp critical shot is asome.
3) Hunting jedi which is rare not that many take downs on bhs part cause of 1 and 2.
Hnglka wrote:
Maulinar wrote:
I think most of the changes are positive, just all the MDef sheep who had noimagination to come up with something original are whinging.
In my opinion the BH hunting the smart jedi and not the FOTM the job just got harder, but thats just my opinion which is worthless. Hopefully you guys will work out who the dumb ones are (more often then not the E-bay sort who have little or no idea) on your respective servers and act accordingly.
As a full template Jedi even I realise that when your almost beat and 3 seconds later your full health again, something is a little out of balance.
pfft if you think mdef was hurt by these changes you are wrong. In fact the added costs to heals will ensure more jedi go mdef.
Nerfing sap just made it easier to justify picking up fr2.
all in all pub 19s changes will effect a few people but i dont look at it as the sky is falling. Avoid Incap isnt a great pvp move anyway so in the end the defenders came out relatively unscathed.
Hnglka is very correct.
But I wouldn't bank on it stayin this way forever
FernGully wrote:
Hnglka is very correct.
But I wouldn't bank on it stayin this way forever
Message Edited by Hnglka on 06-22-2005 06:00 PM
As for my vision (or wish list)....I think you would be surprised to see that I would make sure that NO one single BH could ever solo a Knight (it's just not SW). I would have NEVER told the path to Jedi, but I damn sure wouldn't have made it grinding out 4 professions in a particular order either. GTEFs and Saber TEFs would see a come back....as well as "Permadeath" (for 4 days)....with NO XP loss. And FRS...well, that would be based on tenure. The oldest Jedi on the server get the top rank....and on down. Every 2 months, challenges can be made and MUST be accepted within 2 weeks (if you can't log on to play in at least 2 weeks, then you just don't play enough to be on the council).
And so on, and so, on.....not too far off from where they started....but you now the saying, "Never look back".
*BIG EDIT* If I had my wish...BHs would have never hunted Jedi to begin with....bring on the smugglers. Now that ALL the movies are out, I STILL have yet to see where a BH goes after or hunts a Jedi. Sure they fight once in a while, but it is an unintentional meeting, and not the result of a direct Bounty being placed on the Jedi! Almost forgot about THAT wish.
Message Edited by Tucheck on 06-22-2005 03:45 PM
im not talking about all the replys here but i see some post here and im shocked dont you pepole have any pride. we are bounty hunters we are supposed to think we are the best cause ya know what we are im not saying that just mbh alone is uber but if you use your head and mix it with like master carbines are somthing along those lines you have one of the best profession ever
LONG LIVE BOUNTY HUNTERS DEATH TO JEDI
FernGully wrote:
As each publish comes and goes, we see the supposed "alpha class", or "end game" content of SWG being slowly whittled down to the point where the differences between it and the rest of the professions are small. Jedi are not what they once were, and if the trend continues, will shortly be no more than any of the rest of the playerbase. Good, bad, indifferent, who cares?
The balancing of Jedi, tho, has given birth to a new end game profession: Bounty Hunting. The bounty hunter has become the ultimate one-on-one combat profession in SWG ( As it was intended to be ). Ranged combat is clearly at the advantage over melee, and the bounty hunter profession offers some of the better specials and mods to be found in all ranged professions ( Dev's Fault ) . The skill requirements have been lowered drastically over the life of the game, to the point where now its easy to grab loads of other skills with it to bolster your template (even healing skills). ( Jedi have alwaysbeen able to"out heal" the damage delt tothem )Some of the games best weapons are available to the Bounty Hunter,( and rifleman, carbeener, and pistoleer )and a new one is on the way. This may well be the most powerful single combat profession in the game, which is most certainly a characteristic of a "end game" content.
Also consider the content and the money. Hunting down Jedi marks for 225k a pop ( unless your temp is flawless, a 225k mark is suicied )offers, by far, the LARGEST sum of money available for combat from the game system and one of the most unique and detailed "mini-games"available to a single profession. With Jedi marks being made more and more "soloable" ( they should have always been soloable ) every day, and with the abundance of players who are or are trying to become Jedi, this content is plentiful. With droids that insta-locate the mark ( yea thoes darn droids just hand us the mark in a nice neat package don't they. they do everything but kill you for us.....now thats an idea
Unlike with previous end game content in SWG, tho, Bounty Hunters today get something that the previous end game content has never truely had: impunity.( i've always operated with impunity ) There is no added risk to be a bounty hunter ( no just spending expensive droids to track a Suicide mark to a planet full of mobs that may or may not be a real threat, no risk at all, your right ), or to enjoy the fruits of the profession. The repercussions for taking and failing a bounty mission are non-existant ( Dev's fault ), and getting killed by one's mark is no less trivial than any death a character may experience in the game ( yea, thers that darn PvP system again, Dev's fault ). Bounty Hunters get to choose to PvP, to hunt, and even when to engage a mark all on their terms, on their time schedule, when they wish. ( while an advantage......its nota good one. Need i bring up the travesty of mobile houses? or being able to out heal a BH's damage? Force cloaking? )
I'd say that all of these factors point to the conclusion that as Jedi is balanced down to 1:1 ratio with the rest of the playerbase ( shouldn't be...the only people that should be able to go toe to toe with a jedi are bounty hunters, and other jedi of course ), their undeniable replacement as the new end game profession ( there is no end game, SWG is a MMORG, or are you crying that your no longer the be all end all uber glow stick swinger you used to be? go play KOTOR)is Bounty Hunter. Today's Bounty Hunter gets the money ( nobody works for free, accept maybe Jedi in your case) , the power ( what power? wheres my Force choke? wheres my Force cloke? give a BH a cloke ability and see what happens ), the content, ( what content? our own terminals?, a few unique quests that you dont even need to be a BH to run? )has no extra risk to take on than any other player, and even lesser requirements for joining the profession than they previously had. ( have you even tried to put together a MBH template post CU? you cant just pick any other profession and go bounce a jedi's head off the floor. Sorry sweety it doesn't work that way. )
conclusion: while i agree with some of your arguments, under close inspection most have no merit. They either lack the basic foundation of fact, or they are just the paranoid andbaseless observationsof a jedi who obviosly hasn't had to deal with not being the GCWuber killerin a long time.Your entire articleseems angry and accuseing, as if thedev's have nothing to do with the flaws in the system and all your problems are the fault of the big bad BH,If youwere anything other than a trollyou would have suggested fixes to the problems rather than just point out flaws that either don't exist or we already know about. thank you for anotherpage of uslessrubbish. next time be constructive or keep you mouth shut and cry in your beer.
Some fix ideas:
1) get rid of xp loss, put a 12hr lock out on jedi after a BH ( and only a BH )kills themthatforces them toplay there alt.