Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Money, Content, Power, Impunity: Bounty Hunter, the new and improved end game.
Ok, I'll say it one last time....I'm not point out flaws, or problems, or crying about any of what I see here. I can accept all of it. This ISN'T a whine, or an accusation, or a proposal for what "should be". Its an observation, only, hence the reason that I'm not proposing any "fixes". My attitude is neither positive nor negative about this. How many times must I say these things? If you disagree with my conclusions (which is fine), please go ahead and list out your reasoning, as you have done here. But don't put "whines" in my mouth that I'm not making.
*EDIT*: If you want my opinions for how things SHOULD be, or what I'd LIKE to see done, I can make another post for that. But thats for another time, and another thread and this one's scope is supposed to be totally different.
Message Edited by FernGully on 06-22-2005 04:22 PM
Make no mistake, if Jedi is going to be equal in power BH missionsneed to goaway. For over a year all I read was BH's was put in place to curb the power of Jedi, to balance their advantage against non-Jedi, to be the gate keeper to a completed template that surpasses what any non-Jedi template could do......after Jedi is nerfed to anormal profession, no more reason to balance them or keep the grind longer. Jedi will be just be another combat profession so keeping the BH missions would the equivalent of making all TK fight BH's just because BH's want something to do.
I believe a lot of BH's said they don't mind if Jedi missions are removed as long as it meant the removal of the Jedi profession. Well you are getting your wish, I forsee the missions going away due to this (eventually)
FernGully wrote:
*big sigh*
Ok, I'll say it one last time....I'm not point out flaws, or problems, or crying about any of what I see here. I can accept all of it. This ISN'T a whine, or an accusation, or a proposal for what "should be". Its an observation, only, hence the reason that I'm not proposing any "fixes". My attitude is neither positive nor negative about this. How many times must I say these things? If you disagree with my conclusions (which is fine), please go ahead and list out your reasoning, as you have done here. But don't put "whines" in my mouth that I'm not making.
/rolleyes
did you read what you wrote? the entire article was worded like an attack on bounty hunters! I didn't have to put whines in you mouth, you wrote them with your own keyboard. In the act of witch you managed to get everyone thinking your just another jedi troll rather than somone who is tired of the current system not being any fun to play! I hate getting stompped by paddys and im tired of my friends loosing hard earned XP on there way up the ladder. The whole darn thing is broke, everybody knows that, we don't need anyone else throwing fuel on the fire! Thanks for nothing, some vet you are. I've only been playing six months but i managed to set up a guild who's entire pourpose is to help anyone regardless of faction or profession get the xp they need to build the character they want. What did you do? PvP/E the entire time, personaly i'd rather pull some one up then knock them down, but i guess we all haveour priorities! As i said thanks for nothing Uber Vet!
Kaukiji wrote:
jedi is no where near any normal profession. wait for the patch to go through, you will see.
i have heard of choke hitting for over 1k damage every 3-5 seconds because it ignores armor.
sabers have increased damage.
only thing that got nerfed was heals and defender.
lol can you explain this post you just made then if you think Jedi is no where NEAR ANY normal profession
Kaukiji wrote:
CM 4xxx = great heals, add 1k stims and ruby to it and if oyu play it right you can out last most jedi
CM xxx4 = less potential on its own without being coupled with another CM ability. but still really cool for teh 2 minute snare, paralyze, and the -40 speed
personally, i used to be a MBH/Mpistols/CM 4xxx and i could solo full templates, even MDef/MLS, pretty easy.
so i would suggest going 4xxx CM. it has better potential without other CM abilities.
Eleutherios wrote:
Hey, I know this is off topic, but doesn't the title "Money, Content, Power, Impunity" sound morelike the start of a title that goes something like "Money, Content, Power, Impunity: The Secret Life of Pimps Exposed"?
Naw. Pimps are rarely content and they don't operate with impunity! One pimp tries to steal another pimp's girls and someone is gonna get clipped.
It does sound like a HBO Undercover Exclusive title waiting to happen, however.
Eleutherios wrote:Hey, I know this is off topic, but doesn't the title "Money, Content, Power, Impunity" sound more like the start of a title that goes something like "Money, Content, Power, Impunity: The Secret Life of Pimps Exposed"?
I was actually hoping they add a "Pimpin" mini-game to smuggler/underworld with the upcoming revamp
FernGully wrote:
I have definitely read what I wrote. You can see what you want to see in it, I suppose.
Sad that in all the accusations and flames I've gotten with this thread, and folks thinking me to be some angry uberleet jedi crying about all this, no one has yet pointed out the one value-judgement statement I actually did make in the whole thing. In the post title, I called this the "new and IMPROVED end game", and that was not meant sarcastically at all.
I appologise for calling you an idiot and thinking you nothing more than a troll. I get irritated when i read posts that come off as nothing more than an uberleet flaming the system, then they don't suggest fixes to the problem. dispite what people think there are ways to keep jedi an elite path (as it should be), limit there numbers, and make BH a formidable adversary for Knights and Masters (so what if theBH spent two months grinding there profession, hunting jedi should be there roll) ButI also fell that in a lot of ways jedi are nerfed too much andboth jedi and BH are pitted against each otheron a slanted playing field with little or noencentive to BvJ. PersonallyI think BvJ should be half the fun of both professions.In the near futureI plan on starting a thread with someinput thatI hope willgenerate a lot of ideas to improve the system.
groundcrew wrote:
FernGully wrote:
I have definitely read what I wrote. You can see what you want to see in it, I suppose.
Sad that in all the accusations and flames I've gotten with this thread, and folks thinking me to be some angry uberleet jedi crying about all this, no one has yet pointed out the one value-judgement statement I actually did make in the whole thing. In the post title, I called this the "new and IMPROVED end game", and that was not meant sarcastically at all.
I appologise for calling you an idiot and thinking you nothing more than a troll. I get irritated when i read posts that come off as nothing more than an uberleet flaming the system, then they don't suggest fixes to the problem. dispite what people think there are ways to keep jedi an elite path (as it should be), limit there numbers, and make BH a formidable adversary for Knights and Masters (so what if the BH spent two months grinding there profession, hunting jedi should be there roll) But I also fell that in a lot of ways jedi are nerfed too much and both jedi and BH are pitted against each other on a slanted playing field with little or no encentive to BvJ. Personally I think BvJ should be half the fun of both professions. In the near future I plan on starting a thread with some input that I hope will generate a lot of ideas to improve the system.
Wow, didn't expect that from ya, but thanks.
FernGully wrote:
As each publish comes and goes, we see the supposed "alpha class", or "end game" content of SWG being slowly whittled down to the point where the differences between it and the rest of the professions are small. Jedi are not what they once were, and if the trend continues, will shortly be no more than any of the rest of the playerbase. Good, bad, indifferent, who cares?
The balancing of Jedi, tho, has given birth to a new end game profession: Bounty Hunting. The bounty hunter has become the ultimate one-on-one combat profession in SWG. Ranged combat is clearly at the advantage over melee, and the bounty hunter profession offers some of the better specials and mods to be found in all ranged professions. The skill requirements have been lowered drastically over the life of the game, to the point where now its easy to grab loads of other skills with it to bolster your template (even healing skills). Some of the games best weapons are available to the Bounty Hunter, and a new one is on the way. This may well be the most powerful single combat profession in the game, which is most certainly a characteristic of a "end game" content.
Also consider the content and the money. Hunting down Jedi marks for 225k a pop offers, by far, the LARGEST sum of money available for combat from the game system and one of the most unique and detailed "mini-games" available to a single profession. With Jedi marks being made more and more "soloable" every day, and with the abundance of players who are or are trying to become Jedi, this content is plentiful. With droids that insta-locate the mark, its relatively easy to locate your target, as well. "Hiding" from these droids is only possible on Kashyyk, but many BHs enjoy the hunting aspect of content, and as such prefer to take marks on Kashyyk where the investigation and chase becomes part of the fun.
Unlike with previous end game content in SWG, tho, Bounty Hunters today get something that the previous end game content has never truely had: impunity. There is no added risk to be a bounty hunter, or to enjoy the fruits of the profession. The repercussions for taking and failing a bounty mission are non-existant, and getting killed by one's mark is no less trivial than any death a character may experience in the game. Bounty Hunters get to choose to PvP, to hunt, and even when to engage a mark all on their terms, on their time schedule, when they wish.
I'd say that all of these factors point to the conclusion that as Jedi is balanced down to 1:1 ratio with the rest of the playerbase, their undeniable replacement as the new end game profession is Bounty Hunter. Today's Bounty Hunter gets the money, the power, the content, has no extra risk to take on than any other player, and even lesser requirements for joining the profession than they previously had.
Jedi is more powerful than any prof that why bh are hunting them so they lose xp.
Exsample norma prof' Oh crap a jedi overt i better run"
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Let them nerf us down to a "normal" profession. People will quit playing Jedi and we'll be removed from the BH terminals. I don't give a rat's patoot about being uber. The only time my relative strength against a normal profession ever ever ever ever concerns me is when someone's trying to take my hard-earned exp away.Take away the BH's, and I'd be just as happy if they knock the numbers on Jedi abilities down to a normal profession.
You want Jedi brought down to a normal profession? Ok, that's spiffy. They'll have to take away BH missions too. I"m cool with that. I assume the rest of you are too.
First off, I would like to say that this is not a flame, Leatherneck..
However I disagree with the "Hard Earned Exp" statement. As a BH, I watch the Padawans grow. And they are growing fast. I am always surprised to see Jedi that were 90k marks, skyrocket to 200k marks in 2 weeks tops. Alot of times in even less time. Easily approaching a Full Template with a quickness. And this coupled with the fact that therehas been an explosion of BH since the CU, and the Majority of BH actively hunting Jedi, makes me doubt that BH's are really hurting the Jedi grinds all that much.
Just last night I killed a Jedi who was AFK grinding on the Webweaver Trail. Sometime later when he finally got back from being AFK, he sent me a /tell saying that even though my killing him cost him 175k exp...He still had over 200k exp. And proceeded to laugh, and carry on.
So the EXP losses to Jedi is becoming less and less significant.
But then again, maybe its just me. I could be wrong.