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Thread: DONT STAND FOR THIS -- every customer has a say, make a difference !!!
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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
I just say don't be a jedi's content. Let them get bored fighting each other....they are begging for us as content I say don't give it to them.
Oh noes! Don't throw me in that briar patch, Brer Fox!
Message Edited by Warryyr on 08-01-2005 02:36 PM
ElvisTheKing wrote:
6) Lastly, and this is important; Jedi do not need crafters, but we BH need crafters. We need them to make us weapons, armor, food, powerups, spices, swoops, BE clothesand droids. Because the Alpha class is self sufficient, it will hurt the game in the long run as the need for crafters and their goods dwindles. Its a simple law of supply and demand. Demand for armor and weapons is already much lower than it had been. This is compounded by the use of ADKs.
So please consider these things when you discuss the jedi v. bh dynamic. To me it is one of the most compelling parts of this game, but the devs have effectively nuetered it with the last changes to the the BH profession.
Message Edited by HeadRoll on 08-01-2005 02:46 PM
Message Edited by HeadRoll on 08-01-2005 02:47 PM
What they don't realize is that Alpha professions such as Jedi have ABSALUTELY NO ROOM in any MMO. The introduction of Jedi as an Alpha profession worked initially... They were in low numbers so their "greater power" made sense... greater power for self preservation. But now, Jedi are no longer outnumbers by any means. I'd say the only non-support profession that Jedi DON'T out-populate are BH's.
There is no longer a need for Jedi to be overpowered. Since they are no longer outnumbered, they don't need to worry about self-preservation.
The Devs should just get rid of all XP loss, lower the grind, hell, even make them easier to obtain... just bring them down to equal strength as any other profession. To have an Alpha profession that is so populated tosses the game off balance.
Just because you grinding several times more than the average player, doesn't give you the right to be all-powerful. You worked for, and grinded for the "cool factor". If Jedi were never more powerful than the average profession, chances are the people who have unlocked a Jedi would have unlocked one anyways. Now, since there are so many Jedi on every server, people are choosing to beat them at their own game... I've lost several hunting companions because they got sick of how overpowered and overpopulated Jedi are. They chose to not fight them with their BH... they chose to unlock and fight fire with fire.
ImageAccess wrote:
ElvisTheKing wrote:
Here are a few things to consider:
1) Weapon Speed Tapes are broken. They do not add speed to attacks right now. Not sure if the accuracy tapes are broken. So as a BH, to hunt dual masters, we need those things to work.
Really? I didn't know that. I suppose its ironic then that Jedi Sabers are borken (speed that is) as well. ---- if 1500 damage is broken, erm keep it that way?
2) Missions only stay in the datapad for three days, so stalking and picking the best time to strike is very difficult if you happen to miss the online times of your mark. I am trying this now and its not working too well because the current mark I am tracking logs off, just as I am logging in.
I can't really argue here. Drop the mission and get another. It honestly sounds just like a whine rather then a major problem? people would rather get a problem sorted than sit back and do nothing sorry.
3) Mdefender defenses are so high that they encourage FOTM in jedi. I was fighting a Mdef/MLS for 45 minutes the other night. I know because I went through three spice downers during the fight. Eventually she ran away and I couldn't catch her. There were points in the fight where she would just stand still and regen force, and her basic defenses were good enough to keep me from harming her. I have a fix for this now, but, I am rapidly running out of toolbar space.
Mdef is on par with non-Jedi defenses. Hell its close to what even a bh+another elite can get. Factor in clothing and/or foods and what do you know, its pretty close? Why is it over powered simply because you didn't win in the first 5 mins. To me this sounds like it was a pretty close to 1 to 1 ratio on power. You couldn't kill him because of his defenses and he couldn't kill you because of his offense. its nowhere near 1 on 1 and m defender is overpowered..and should a jedi be able to kill any1 within 3 seconds?
4) Many ranged profession specials are broken, so effects are not sticking or causing the described effect.
All states aren't working as intended. Its not necessarily limited to ranged. Even some specials within Jedi aren't working as intended or at all. If jedi specials are broken then keep them that way they do enough damage.
5) BH was nerfed last patch so that we basically have to be ranged BHs to hunt jedi. The moving of jedi bounties to master basically killed the melee BH. We can not play as a melee BH, which might be more effective.
So? Jedi were nerfed again the previous patch. You/We can go ti t for tat on nerf complaints. You can still be a melee if you want. Nothing preventing that. All this "master bh required" did was make Jedi hunting something of value to Masters. If I'm not mistaken this was a known item to be in the works. There isn't much you can do to change it. All you're doing now is whining. meele bh is too weak now as every`1 knows to hunt jedi....
6) Lastly, and this is important; Jedi do not need crafters, but we BH need crafters. We need them to make us weapons, armor, food, powerups, spices, swoops, BE clothesand droids. Because the Alpha class is self sufficient, it will hurt the game in the long run as the need for crafters and their goods dwindles. Its a simple law of supply and demand. Demand for armor and weapons is already much lower than it had been. This is compounded by the use of ADKs.
I love the flawed logic and let me tell you why its flawed. Jedi still require food and clothing. They still require armor (psg's and belts). They still require weapons (kiting bh'ers anyone?). They still require pets and medical supplies (mounts/tanks + stims). In addition to that most (at least old school) Jedi have a crafting alt to supply their heavy cost associated with Jedi. (yes it is higher then BH however I can't argue with someone that b!tches over a measely 5 mil weapon especially when my saber alone is worth over 150mil). And since most Jedi alts are crafters they are giving back to the servers communities.
Now if you want to argue that Jedi A) don't need all of these things or B) Jedi don't supply any of these things, I'll simply argue that we use whats needed to be better then stock. Amazingly enough thats something even BH'ers do. Funny huh? When was the last time a mark of yours didn't use foods, a saber, a psg, clothing or anythign else?
jedi contribute nothing to thisgame except another reason to leave...all the vendors on my server are starting to vanish because of this growth and making it harder to get armour and food etc so yes the initial statement was correct
So please consider these things when you discuss the jedi v. bh dynamic. To me it is one of the most compelling parts of this game, but the devs have effectively nuetered it with the last changes to the the BH profession.
I'm sorry if I failed economics in real life (well didn't really fail but didn't pass with high marks...hows that). However I do understand what its like to be on the other side of the fence. Of course I'll be instantly shot down but can anyone prove me wrong? Not with a gut check emotional and unwitty response but pure logic?
Camrux wrote:
monkeylips1 wrote:
You're right! I just cancelled all of my accounts this very minute! Shame I am paid up til 2007. Guess I will just keep playing this itty witty bitty game til it runs out
ROFLMAO
And you think this game will be active that long?
I have doubts of that
People have been saying that for 2 years already, guess what...
People in every single MMO have been saying that for years, guess what maybe 10% of those predictions came through.
ImageAccess wrote:
ElvisTheKing wrote:
Here are a few things to consider:
1) Weapon Speed Tapes are broken. They do not add speed to attacks right now. Not sure if the accuracy tapes are broken. So as a BH, to hunt dual masters, we need those things to work.
Really? I didn't know that. I suppose its ironic then that Jedi Sabers are borken (speed that is) as well.
I wasn't speaking for jedi, since I am not one. I was speaking from the BH point of view, which you accurately detect in my statements.
2) Missions only stay in the datapad for three days, so stalking and picking the best time to strike is very difficult if you happen to miss the online times of your mark. I am trying this now and its not working too well because the current mark I am tracking logs off, just as I am logging in.
I can't really argue here. Drop the mission and get another. It honestly sounds just like a whine rather then a major problem?
Why do you need to introduce flame-bait by calling this a whine? All we BH hear is talk of tactics; strike at the right time, catch them when the are unprepared, etc.. I point out an issue with this logic and you say I am whining? Just so you understand Jedi, the reason that missions drop after three days is to prevent you Jedi from holding your own missions with your BH alts.
3) Mdefender defenses are so high that they encourage FOTM in jedi. I was fighting a Mdef/MLS for 45 minutes the other night. I know because I went through three spice downers during the fight. Eventually she ran away and I couldn't catch her. There were points in the fight where she would just stand still and regen force, and her basic defenses were good enough to keep me from harming her. I have a fix for this now, but, I am rapidly running out of toolbar space.
Mdef is on par with non-Jedi defenses. Hell its close to what even a bh+another elite can get. Factor in clothing and/or foods and what do you know, its pretty close? Why is it over powered simply because you didn't win in the first 5 mins. To me this sounds like it was a pretty close to 1 to 1 ratio on power. You couldn't kill him because of his defenses and he couldn't kill you because of his offense.
Mdef is on par with Blacksun Wraiths, not non-jedi defenses. Identify another template that can have 900+ ranged defenses and we can discuss the merits of your point. Also, as I stated in my original post, the silly high defenses of Mdef make it all but impossible not to have it in your skills. I assume you have at least 3xxx healing too, its the same issue. In other words, the only jedi that I find are MDef/MLS/3xxx healer because it is the only viable PvP template and you all know it.
4) Many ranged profession specials are broken, so effects are not sticking or causing the described effect.
All states aren't working as intended. Its not necessarily limited to ranged. Even some specials within Jedi aren't working as intended or at all.
For example, Pistoleer states never stick. These make the crowd control abilities of pistoleer limited to root and disarming shot. The most important shots that stun, which would affect regen rates, do not work. The fact that there are broekn jedi specials does not negate the fact that there are broken ranged specials. You make a specious argument, and it is not logical. In otherwords, fairness is not acheived by both professions being broken. Also, as I stated earlier, this message is from the BH point of view. Why do you feel it necessary to come to the BH boards to troll? Can't you voice your concerns on your own board?
5) BH was nerfed last patch so that we basically have to be ranged BHs to hunt jedi. The moving of jedi bounties to master basically killed the melee BH. We can not play as a melee BH, which might be more effective.
So? Jedi were nerfed again the previous patch. You/We can go ti t for tat on nerf complaints. You can still be a melee if you want. Nothing preventing that. All this "master bh required" did was make Jedi hunting something of value to Masters. If I'm not mistaken this was a known item to be in the works. There isn't much you can do to change it. All you're doing now is whining.
Again, you lack the ability to put up a cogent argument and just call me a whiner. The idea of putting value in MBH can be accomplished in many different ways. It does not only need to be done with Jedi bounties. Special weapon certs, armor certs and other combat specials could have done the same thing without limiting the template choices. Also, moving the cert for jedi hunting to master removes one of my favorite RP templates of a Jedi/BH hybrid. The self-loathing jedi, so to speak. The end result is that jedi get a predictable number of templates that may be coming for them and they can tailor their templates to deal with them. Now, there is another nerf coming for CM, which will make many BHs ineffective.
6) Lastly, and this is important; Jedi do not need crafters, but we BH need crafters. We need them to make us weapons, armor, food, powerups, spices, swoops, BE clothesand droids. Because the Alpha class is self sufficient, it will hurt the game in the long run as the need for crafters and their goods dwindles. Its a simple law of supply and demand. Demand for armor and weapons is already much lower than it had been. This is compounded by the use of ADKs.
I love the flawed logic and let me tell you why its flawed. Jedi still require food and clothing. They still require armor (psg's and belts). They still require weapons (kiting bh'ers anyone?). They still require pets and medical supplies (mounts/tanks + stims). In addition to that most (at least old school) Jedi have a crafting alt to supply their heavy cost associated with Jedi. (yes it is higher then BH however I can't argue with someone that b!tches over a measely 5 mil weapon especially when my saber alone is worth over 150mil). And since most Jedi alts are crafters they are giving back to the servers communities.
Now if you want to argue that Jedi A) don't need all of these things or B) Jedi don't supply any of these things, I'll simply argue that we use whats needed to be better then stock. Amazingly enough thats something even BH'ers do. Funny huh? When was the last time a mark of yours didn't use foods, a saber, a psg, clothing or anythign else?
My guild, NeXuS, is the most successful BH guild on Wanderhome. We are a small group, but we are very capable. All of us have solo'd full temp jedi. We are banned in most cities and in many shops by a bug that allows people to ban by guild. We do not get alts for crafting or vendor runs to help protect our identity. That's issue one. Issue two is that there is no way to compare the crafted equipment requirements of a jedi, with those of a BH. This goes back to one of the previous topics about tactics. Having the best gear andthe best foods are a part of our tactics. I carry at least 10-12 different crates of food at all times, I carry 2 differnt types of spice, 2 different types of powerups, 3 or 4 different pistols, 2 carbines and 2 rifles. I have armor that is custom made and is max sliced for armor break. And now that they are "fixing" seeker droids, I will be carrying several crates of those as well.
Additionally, since Jedi are beginning to outnumber regular folks on our server, its no wonder thatafter they have been killed by a BH, the jedis and their guilds and their friends begin to ban effective BHs from shops and towns.
I still do not see any flawed logic.
So please consider these things when you discuss the jedi v. bh dynamic. To me it is one of the most compelling parts of this game, but the devs have effectively nuetered it with the last changes to the the BH profession.
I'm sorry if I failed economics in real life (well didn't really fail but didn't pass with high marks...hows that
You did not provide any logic, all you did was call me a whiner. Missions are too short, I am a whiner. MDef ranged defenses are so high and unbalance that it leads to a FOTM for jedi, and I am a whiner. Ranged specials that stick states are broken, but so are jedi specials, so therefore I am a whiner. Moving player bounties to MBH which limits our template choices and play style, so therefore, I am a whiner. BHs require much more player crafted equipment than jedi to be successful, and when we are successful, we get banned from cities and shops where we can get that gear because we don't unlock an alt to protect our identity so that we can make shopping trips undisturbed, and yet I whine.
What I posted, and I will explain it more clearly for you, is from the BH perspective and is in keeping with what the developers have said the relationship between Jedi and BH and Jedi and the galaxy should be. Jedi are supposed to be the hunted ones. Jedi are supposed to be the ones in hiding. But that is not how its working. The BH is the endangered species. The BH is a part of your content as much as you are a part of ours. If BH is not fun to play andcan not be sucfcessful a reasonable percentage of the time, then people will stop playing them. When that happens, you will miss the BH for the excitement that they brought to the game, but you are too shortsighted to see that.
But I seen your name and was like 'hey I know this guy' (from WH)... Anyways W00T Mr.typer
KurwaMac wrote:
Damn Elvis I didn't read any of that, or anything past my cheesy post somewhere towards the start of this thread.
But I seen your name and was like 'hey I know this guy' (from WH)... Anyways W00T Mr.typer
Just a little upset that there are so many jedi players that just don't get it. Fires me up sometimes.
