Bounty Hunter Archive

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GinazResser wrote:

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awentwor wrote:

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NewReborn wrote:

again, i have the first strike, i know. but if you dont realize it does almost nothing to a nice little master defender with some heals, then whatever. i truely have fought almost strait MDs since pub 20.

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A master defender has what... about 250-260 melee / range defense? This is the same as most other characters at CL80. Inate Jedi armor gives them equivelant to around 40-50% armor. Turn on force aura and it is equivelant to Center of Being skills. As you can see... Defender is not overbearing by any means.

Now lets look at why Jedi are all master defenders now. People cried about the lightsaber toughness - NERFED. People cried about range blocking - NERFED. You really wonder why Jedi are all now MDefenders? It's the only defenses they get. You either take defender skills or you are destroyed by BH's. MDefender is not *required* but it definately makes it worth while to have. Especially with the hundreds of respec BH's there are.

Look at WHY Jedi are all MDefenders. The community made them that way.

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Try going on the vette without any defender or any other high end mob for that matter. Its not just about pvp.

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Pffft...I'm MLS, 3000 healer, 2000 enh, 0400 powers, and all of 0120 DEF, and I can all but solo (only because I can't drop agro in the prisoner room, so I need someone to talk to the prisoners) the rescue vette in about 10 minutes, and hit all the loot spots too. I haven't tried any other vettes in the last couple of days, but I bet the end result is the same, except I probably CAN solo the destroy vette since I don't need to talk to anyone. Assassination is about the only one that might need high level defender, did that a few days ago with my template, a MDef, a MPowers, and a low-level paddy with some random skills, but I bet we could have done with with another MLS. Honestly, I don't pvp a lot, so I can't speak for that, but there are other viable options besides FOTM MLS/MDef.

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MilannaSati wrote:

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GinazResser wrote:

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awentwor wrote:

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NewReborn wrote:

again, i have the first strike, i know. but if you dont realize it does almost nothing to a nice little master defender with some heals, then whatever. i truely have fought almost strait MDs since pub 20.

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A master defender has what... about 250-260 melee / range defense? This is the same as most other characters at CL80. Inate Jedi armor gives them equivelant to around 40-50% armor. Turn on force aura and it is equivelant to Center of Being skills. As you can see... Defender is not overbearing by any means.

Now lets look at why Jedi are all master defenders now. People cried about the lightsaber toughness - NERFED. People cried about range blocking - NERFED. You really wonder why Jedi are all now MDefenders? It's the only defenses they get. You either take defender skills or you are destroyed by BH's. MDefender is not *required* but it definately makes it worth while to have. Especially with the hundreds of respec BH's there are.

Look at WHY Jedi are all MDefenders. The community made them that way.

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Try going on the vette without any defender or any other high end mob for that matter. Its not just about pvp.

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Pffft...I'm MLS, 3000 healer, 2000 enh, 0400 powers, and all of 0120 DEF, and I can all but solo (only because I can't drop agro in the prisoner room, so I need someone to talk to the prisoners) the rescue vette in about 10 minutes, and hit all the loot spots too. I haven't tried any other vettes in the last couple of days, but I bet the end result is the same, except I probably CAN solo the destroy vette since I don't need to talk to anyone. Assassination is about the only one that might need high level defender, did that a few days ago with my template, a MDef, a MPowers, and a low-level paddy with some random skills, but I bet we could have done with with another MLS. Honestly, I don't pvp a lot, so I can't speak for that, but there are other viable options besides FOTM MLS/MDef.

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I didn't say MDef, I said ANY defender. Plus you seem to have cloak, which helps soloing the vette ALOT.

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Vcardossk wrote:

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GinazResser wrote:

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awentwor wrote:

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NewReborn wrote:

again, i have the first strike, i know. but if you dont realize it does almost nothing to a nice little master defender with some heals, then whatever. i truely have fought almost strait MDs since pub 20.

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A master defender has what... about 250-260 melee / range defense? This is the same as most other characters at CL80. Inate Jedi armor gives them equivelant to around 40-50% armor. Turn on force aura and it is equivelant to Center of Being skills. As you can see... Defender is not overbearing by any means.

Now lets look at why Jedi are all master defenders now. People cried about the lightsaber toughness - NERFED. People cried about range blocking - NERFED. You really wonder why Jedi are all now MDefenders? It's the only defenses they get. You either take defender skills or you are destroyed by BH's. MDefender is not *required* but it definately makes it worth while to have. Especially with the hundreds of respec BH's there are.

Look at WHY Jedi are all MDefenders. The community made them that way.

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Try going on the vette without any defender or any other high end mob for that matter. Its not just about pvp.

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Get a good tk............

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Yeah but he's talking about why defender is necessary now, not the tanking ability of TKM. You get hit hella hard with high end mobs like those on the vette without the inate armor and the extra defenses. So having some defender is somewhat necessary (debateable though)for not only pvp reasons but for pve as well.

kinda works the other way now dont it...any bh that dies to a jedi should go "learn how to use their template" .....if jedi think they need m defender to win in pvp / bh fight then i think you gotta go "learn how to play" id can probably say that every fantastic pvpinf jedi i know does not have master defender ...1 tree if any of it.

dam i cant spell in the dark ..you get the idea

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GinazResser wrote:

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MilannaSati wrote:

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GinazResser wrote:

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awentwor wrote:

A master defender has what... about 250-260 melee / range defense? This is the same as most other characters at CL80. Inate Jedi armor gives them equivelant to around 40-50% armor. Turn on force aura and it is equivelant to Center of Being skills. As you can see... Defender is not overbearing by any means.

Now lets look at why Jedi are all master defenders now. People cried about the lightsaber toughness - NERFED. People cried about range blocking - NERFED. You really wonder why Jedi are all now MDefenders? It's the only defenses they get. You either take defender skills or you are destroyed by BH's. MDefender is not *required* but it definately makes it worth while to have. Especially with the hundreds of respec BH's there are.

Look at WHY Jedi are all MDefenders. The community made them that way.

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Try going on the vette without any defender or any other high end mob for that matter. Its not just about pvp.

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Pffft...I'm MLS, 3000 healer, 2000 enh, 0400 powers, and all of 0120 DEF, and I can all but solo (only because I can't drop agro in the prisoner room, so I need someone to talk to the prisoners) the rescue vette in about 10 minutes, and hit all the loot spots too. I haven't tried any other vettes in the last couple of days, but I bet the end result is the same, except I probably CAN solo the destroy vette since I don't need to talk to anyone. Assassination is about the only one that might need high level defender, did that a few days ago with my template, a MDef, a MPowers, and a low-level paddy with some random skills, but I bet we could have done with with another MLS. Honestly, I don't pvp a lot, so I can't speak for that, but there are other viable options besides FOTM MLS/MDef.

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I didn't say MDef, I said ANY defender. Plus you seem to have cloak, which helps soloing the vette ALOT.

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True, you didn't say MDef, although you responded to the poster that did, so I went from there. And actually, cloak is not useful to me at all up there, because they still hit me and follow me as much when I have it on as not. I'd rather save the force.

Well he might not have pre CU pearls. N u might have a now awesome pre cu weapon.

BH's need to quit crying and learn how to play there profession.....Its not that hard to kill a full temp....just use common sense.

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BrynnQel-Droma wrote:

It blows me away how many bounty hunters have said "You knew Jedi would be hard!" in the past that turned into utter hypocrites with this latest patch.

You didn't think hunting jedi was going to be hard too?

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I cant agree more with you. Some Bhs seems to think that hunting jedi should be easy...

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NewReborn wrote:

listen.

i dont want to hunt low level paddies that are no challenge that i can walk up to and gank them. that is no fun.

i want to fight 200k-220k that are nearly full temp but are feasable to beat.

and to the post above me, i want hunting to be hard. i dont want hunting to be pointlessly idiotic.

and, it seems that ive fought pre-cu sabers almost constantly, as each jedi is wacking me for about 900-1200, and i have 8050 or so recon

so whatever, make bounty hunting harder, give me more of a reward so im not spending more than im getting due to fighting 5 or 6 jedi before i can kill one.

pretty much the only way i can kill a jedi now is to wait for them to be occupied, or fighting something. (i also have a good T21, so its not like the gun is the problem)

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Red Statement: I will consider myself full template when I am worth 215k. I have no idea whether I would be able to beat you or not, but I fail to see how my last 8 skill points, which I will probably spend on wound healing (since I'm tired of having to explain to every noob in a starport that not every Jedi in a starportcan heal you when it's just faster to get the skill and heal them) is going to dramatically affect the outcome of a fight between the two of us.

i dont even care, im now a loot farmer.... and no, a full temp MLS/MDef/(healing) cannot be beat unless he is fighting something else,orhe absolutely sucks at pvp.oh woohoo we get a first strike, not that it matters when he heals back to full health and we hit him for 250 a hit, while hes wailing on us for 1000 damage with his pre-cu pearls.

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