Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Money, Content, Power, Impunity: Bounty Hunter, the new and improved end game.
Nyracasso
Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:55 am
#27
Amazing.
Owning every single Bounty Hunter on these forums in one fell swoop.
One post, people! 
FernGully
Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:57 am
#28
Nyracasso wrote:
Amazing.Owning every single Bounty Hunter on these forums in one fell swoop.One post, people!
huh?
Tucheck
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:16 am
#29
FernGully wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
I read half of your post....and it dawned on me....
You had little to no problem being the ""alpha class", or "end game" content of SWG" for almost a year and a half now. Sure the Jedi profession has had issues, but it has also always been the strongest (fully templated, double Mastery) profession in the game.
Now that the population of Jedi is forcing....YES forcing, them to be "brought in line" with the rest of the player base, you act as though it's the end of the world because YOU don't consider yourself to "be the best".
All I have to say is this...
You know the saying, "If it was easy, everybody would do it"? Well that's what being a Jedi came down to...any easy to use profession. I'm NOT saying the path to Jedi isn't long, I'm just saying it isn't that hard. Many Jedi like to justify their strength with the virtual "hell" they go through to achieve a Jedi character. Well given the fact that many Jedi over in the Jedi forums like to act as if they will quit the game becuase of these changes, and if they do quit, this will KILL the game....that tells me that the number of Jedi currently playing the game has grown too large to maintain the strength of an "alpha class".
I have Mastered the Scout profession if that tells you anything. I, and SOME others, are STILL here. Through all the percieved hate of non-Jedi and favortism OF Jedi, over ALL other professions, we have NEVER dropped the MBH title. Did we know something you did not? No. We held onto hope (at least I did) that for every Jedi that exploited their way to "Knight" status, passed my effort to keep them Padawans, they would only server as a means to "fix" the Jedi profession.
It's not as bad as you think...
If you actually had read half the post, you'd have seen the last sentence in the first paragraph regarding making Jedi 1:1.
Oh and for the record...I had my MBH title before there were Jedi to hunt, much less a Jedi bounty system to hunt them with.
You responded...but you really didn't say anything....at least not about what I wrote in response to your thread. In fact, it looks like you agreed withme agreeing with you?
FernGully
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:39 am
#30
Tucheck wrote:
FernGully wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
I read half of your post....and it dawned on me....
You had little to no problem being the ""alpha class", or "end game" content of SWG" for almost a year and a half now. Sure the Jedi profession has had issues, but it has also always been the strongest (fully templated, double Mastery) profession in the game.
Now that the population of Jedi is forcing....YES forcing, them to be "brought in line" with the rest of the player base, you act as though it's the end of the world because YOU don't consider yourself to "be the best".
All I have to say is this...
You know the saying, "If it was easy, everybody would do it"? Well that's what being a Jedi came down to...any easy to use profession. I'm NOT saying the path to Jedi isn't long, I'm just saying it isn't that hard. Many Jedi like to justify their strength with the virtual "hell" they go through to achieve a Jedi character. Well given the fact that many Jedi over in the Jedi forums like to act as if they will quit the game becuase of these changes, and if they do quit, this will KILL the game....that tells me that the number of Jedi currently playing the game has grown too large to maintain the strength of an "alpha class".
I have Mastered the Scout profession if that tells you anything. I, and SOME others, are STILL here. Through all the percieved hate of non-Jedi and favortism OF Jedi, over ALL other professions, we have NEVER dropped the MBH title. Did we know something you did not? No. We held onto hope (at least I did) that for every Jedi that exploited their way to "Knight" status, passed my effort to keep them Padawans, they would only server as a means to "fix" the Jedi profession.
It's not as bad as you think...
If you actually had read half the post, you'd have seen the last sentence in the first paragraph regarding making Jedi 1:1.
Oh and for the record...I had my MBH title before there were Jedi to hunt, much less a Jedi bounty system to hunt them with.
You responded...but you really didn't say anything....at least not about what I wrote in response to your thread. In fact, it looks like you agreed withme agreeing with you?
Tu, your response was completely off topic, which is why I didn't have anything to say to it. I never acted like this is the end of the world. I'm not arguing that Jedi should or shouldn't be an alpha class, or whether they or BHs should or shouldn't be an "alpha class". I'm not trying to explain how or why Jedi are being balanced down. I'M NOT EVEN SAYING THAT THIS IS AT ALL A GOOD OR BAD THING! If you'd have read the original post and not just assumed it was a "OMFG, I'm not uber anymore!", you'd have realized that, and been able to save yourself about 4 or 5 paragraphs of typing.
The whole point of my post was based on the assumption that Jedi will eventually be 1:1 with the rest of the pop. And when that happens, I think most will begin to look at Bounty Hunter as the new end game. It won't be the same type of end game that jedi was (its powerful, but not an alpha class), but I still believe it to be the end game.
Tucheck
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:14 am
#31
FernGully wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
FernGully wrote:
Tucheck wrote:
I read half of your post....and it dawned on me....
You had little to no problem being the ""alpha class", or "end game" content of SWG" for almost a year and a half now. Sure the Jedi profession has had issues, but it has also always been the strongest (fully templated, double Mastery) profession in the game.
Now that the population of Jedi is forcing....YES forcing, them to be "brought in line" with the rest of the player base, you act as though it's the end of the world because YOU don't consider yourself to "be the best".
All I have to say is this...
You know the saying, "If it was easy, everybody would do it"? Well that's what being a Jedi came down to...any easy to use profession. I'm NOT saying the path to Jedi isn't long, I'm just saying it isn't that hard. Many Jedi like to justify their strength with the virtual "hell" they go through to achieve a Jedi character. Well given the fact that many Jedi over in the Jedi forums like to act as if they will quit the game becuase of these changes, and if they do quit, this will KILL the game....that tells me that the number of Jedi currently playing the game has grown too large to maintain the strength of an "alpha class".
I have Mastered the Scout profession if that tells you anything. I, and SOME others, are STILL here. Through all the percieved hate of non-Jedi and favortism OF Jedi, over ALL other professions, we have NEVER dropped the MBH title. Did we know something you did not? No. We held onto hope (at least I did) that for every Jedi that exploited their way to "Knight" status, passed my effort to keep them Padawans, they would only server as a means to "fix" the Jedi profession.
It's not as bad as you think...
If you actually had read half the post, you'd have seen the last sentence in the first paragraph regarding making Jedi 1:1.
Oh and for the record...I had my MBH title before there were Jedi to hunt, much less a Jedi bounty system to hunt them with.
You responded...but you really didn't say anything....at least not about what I wrote in response to your thread. In fact, it looks like you agreed withme agreeing with you?
Tu, your response was completely off topic, which is why I didn't have anything to say to it. I never acted like this is the end of the world. I'm not arguing that Jedi should or shouldn't be an alpha class, or whether they or BHs should or shouldn't be an "alpha class". I'm not trying to explain how or why Jedi are being balanced down. I'M NOT EVEN SAYING THAT THIS IS AT ALL A GOOD OR BAD THING! If you'd have read the original post and not just assumed it was a "OMFG, I'm not uber anymore!", you'd have realized that, and been able to save yourself about 4 or 5 paragraphs of typing.
The whole point of my post was based on the assumption that Jedi will eventually be 1:1 with the rest of the pop. And when that happens, I think most will begin to look at Bounty Hunter as the new end game. It won't be the same type of end game that jedi was (its powerful, but not an alpha class), but I still believe it to be the end game.
Then yes...we do agree. For quite sometime now I have advocated that the "strength" of a Jedi character should be dictated by the number of it's population.
What you and I disagree on is the term "end game"....I didn't think, nor believe, a MMORPG should have an "end game" profession, and I'm not so sure SWG has one.
iijin
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:18 am
#32
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
iijin wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
It's no longer justified for Jedi to lose exp to a balanced, if not overpowered opponent.
iijin wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Eleutherios wrote:
"You want Jedi brought down to a normal profession? Ok, that's spiffy. They'll have to take away BH missions too. I"m cool with that. I assume the rest of you are too."
The problem with Jedi right now is that, although they're claiming they're 1 on 1, they're still stronger -- full template Jedi vs. full template Normal, and the Jedi would win.Until they're ACTUALLY 1v1, BH missions would stay. They're just complaining now because they're less uber than before, and it seems as if they're 1v1 because their "I WIN" button is going to be re-tweaked.
I don't care about claims.
Nuke fully templated Jedi to 1.0.
Keep the exp costs and gains.
Remove BH missions.
Shouldn't take the hunting away, I could see the BH on BH missions now and make the Jedi xp loss less if not just none at all andthrow smuggler in the mix. This whole puzzle is starting to look like it will come together nicely.
I dont think we will be overpowered, infact post 19 I dont think we will be balanced. I think that Ferngully hit the nail on the head when he said:
"But the upcoming pub isn't really my point. My point is that if you look at whats been happening over the last year, and the last couple publishes in particular, you see a downward trend in the relative power of Jedi. Based on whats been happening, I believe Jedi are going to be 1:1 eventually. It seems to me that the plan is to do it gradually, to make the transition easier for Jedi players to accept (a sudden "you're all equal now" announcement would cause lots of people to jump ship). So, no, it may not be all in this pub. But I believe its on the way. "
Keeping in mind that only time will tell, I think you are right if it ends at 1:1 Jedi vs Other combat professions then there should be no xp loss, only thing that worries me about this is people will start duping credits by pairing up and killing the jedi over and over since there is no penalty.
Message Edited by iijin on 06-22-2005 11:44 AM
Maybe not overpowered. Maybe so.
If Jedi end up 1:1, and I'm totally cool with that, exp loss will need to be removed. With exp loss removed, payouts will have to be dropped to the point where it costs as much, if not more-in terms of time, money for droids, money for foods-than you make. At that point missions should just be removed. It's better to take out a bad, unused system than to leave it in place. Because it will be farmed for cash. Additionally first-strike will go. Jedi don't have the advantage in power, so first-strike will be overpowered.
I'm absolutely, 100%, dead-on, honest-abe, serious-as-a-heart-attack good with that.
I know alot of BH AND Jedi that would be disappointed at the loss of player bounties, I know I enjoy it just for the thrill of the hunt. I dont really care about winning or losing I just like to hunt an intelligent mark rather then some stupid NPC that will just spawn somewhere in the woods and race to the nearest starport. I love the concept of a Bounty hunter, but I am starting to realize that maybe my ideal of a bounty hunter will be passed over because a few "bad apples" on both sides that aren't able to play the part, no pun intended.
1. If you are the jedi that don't like to be hunted, don't get vis (once they fix group vis).
2. If you are the type that like the challenge, then do as you will.
3. If you can't handle what Jedi entailsthen move onto something else
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:31 am
#33
iijin wrote:
I know alot of BH AND Jedi that would be disappointed at the loss of player bounties, I know I enjoy it just for the thrill of the hunt. I dont really care about winning or losing I just like to hunt an intelligent mark rather then some stupid NPC that will just spawn somewhere in the woods and race to the nearest starport. I love the concept of a Bounty hunter, but I am starting to realize that maybe my ideal of a bounty hunter will be passed over because a few "bad apples" on both sides that aren't able to play the part, no pun intended.
1. If you are the jedi that don't like to be hunted, don't get vis (once they fix group vis).
2. If you are the type that like the challenge, then do as you will.
3. If you can't handle what Jedi entailsthen move onto something else
Slow down there Tex. I have no problems with the current design-though the implementation is severely lacking-of the Vis/Jedi/BH system. I don't complain when BH's come for me. I stand my ground and fight it out. I give a good accounting of myself. Though I'm not a pvp-centric person at heart, I accept that lot because I believe fully in living up to my responsibilities as a player. I believe in risk vs reward. I've posted many suggestions for improvments to my enemy's profession because they make sense. I've supported improvements to my enemy's profession because they make sense. I've supported and suggested both downgrades to my own profession and argued for NOT increasing the power of my own profession.
The added risk of BH's balance the reward of being a more powerful profession. Risk vs reward is a maxim in the MMOG world.
But, if you take away that reward you HAVE to take away the risk to maintain that balance. And if there is zero increased reward, there well should be zero increased risk.
AndrewM
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:40 am
#34
its all funny, due to i still wont be able to get owned by any one BH! very simple.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:46 am
#35
AndrewM wrote:
its all funny, due to i still wont be able to get owned by any one BH! very simple.
We're not talking about now. We're not talking about Pub 19. We're talking about the documented decline in the power of the Jedi profession in comparison to other professions.
Jaster_M
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:50 am
#36
FernGully wrote:
Kaukiji wrote:
here is the Jedi Forum, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
I was MBH a year and a half before your board registration date, sunshine.
I was playing beta 4 months before your registration date sunshine. Whats your point?
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:55 am
#37
Jaster_M wrote:
FernGully wrote:
Kaukiji wrote:
here is the Jedi Forum, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
I was MBH a year and a half before your board registration date, sunshine.
I was playing beta 4 months before your registration date sunshine. Whats your point?
Can I play too? Which shuttle of Beta?
FernGully
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:01 am
#38
Jaster_M wrote:
FernGully wrote:
Kaukiji wrote:
here is the Jedi Forum, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
I was MBH a year and a half before your board registration date, sunshine.
I was playing beta 4 months before your registration date sunshine. Whats your point?
My point was that I'm a Bounty Hunter, too, and have been one for a loooooooong time, and have just as much right to these forums as he does. And yes, I'm also a Jedi, but no, that doesn't mean I'm ONLY a Jedi.
EDIT: And stop stealin my 'sunshine'! Can't you use "sparky", or "skippy", or something else?
Message Edited by FernGully on 06-22-2005 02:02 PM
diepa
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:04 am
#39
Jaster_M wrote:
FernGully wrote:
Kaukiji wrote:
here is the Jedi Forum, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
I was MBH a year and a half before your board registration date, sunshine.
I was playing beta 4 months before your registration date sunshine. Whats your point?
I think you misunderstand the post, he was told by kaukiji to go to the jedi forum, his reply informed him that he has been a master bh for a year and a half before he registered for the forums, indicating his right to post here.
Really worried about the state of reading comprehension in our youth 