Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: The Jedi Census Phenomenon (anyone who thinks there are too many, read this)
Jimmies_SF wrote:
I could call a guy who cuts a woman in half a sorcerer because I don't understand it when she gets stuck back together and takes a bow. Han only relied on things he could touch and see, ie his blaster. He wouldn't have said that after shooting vaders palm 5 times now would he?
Aunt Beru cooked in front of us, you saw weapons (did they pop out of thin air?), and armor, you saw gammorean (the green pigs if my spelling is too off) with axes- wow, melee professions in the movies? whats a battle axe with a good blaster at your side? (leia got shot in the arm and was ok), architect? wonder who built all those buildings? Who sewed the clothes!!!!??? Wonder who programmed the medical droids, prolly someone with medical knowhow, and Ewoks were rangers.
As far as the EU stuff? I don't care. And you said yourself... "for all we know" That makes a great starter for any outlandish statement.
Sure they had to bend some stuff from the movies, like 1 shot doesn't equal a kill, for the sake of being a game, but I mean GOSH- as it stands most are going jedi and the rest will eventually have to to compete. Is that what you want? 100percent player base jedi?
I agree with your first paragraph, and that was the point, the two people who referred to it as a religion, in the star wars universe, didn't know what they were talking about.
your second however....if your sticking with cannon...because she didnt make food that people carried around, no one did, the weapons must have poofed in from thin air, because we didnt see them crafted....about the axes, thats why I only said TK, which is only represented in the EU....the buildings and clothes, no one made them in the movies, so they must have poofed in from nowhere as well....and ewoks could, for all we know have just been scouts. You can't say that the EU doesn't matter, that its only the movies that do cause we would have no game without it.
if most people are going jedi, then thats cause most people want to be jedi....do I want everyone to be Jedi? well, its better than hearing people complain that there are too many.
Qwad wrote:
No your argument fails because it is not stated in the movies that they do not exist, but it is blatantly stated that the Jedi were all but wiped out in the movies. Case closed.
by who? obi-wan? who also tells luke his father was murdered by darth vader...to protect him or others from knowledge that may put him, or others in danger?
obi lied to protect people....case back open.
Quiet420 wrote:
Qwad wrote:
No your argument fails because it is not stated in the movies that they do not exist, but it is blatantly stated that the Jedi were all but wiped out in the movies. Case closed.
by who? obi-wan? who also tells luke his father was murdered by darth vader...to protect him or others from knowledge that may put him, or others in danger?
obi lied to protect people....case back open.
good lord man just give up. that's like arguing he's a pathological liar or something.
Message Edited by Qwad on 07-29-2005 04:05 PM
if pink talking bunnies were an integral part (like lightsabers, and the force) of people telling the greatest saga ever told, their own....then yes, they would be starwarsy....they are, however, not.
Phinneus wrote:
Hmm. You are talking about the EU never saying there arent any more Jedi so who is to say the game is wrong. Okay. Using your logic I will ask you this question:
"The expanded universe never said that there were no pink talking bunnies. But yet I dont see any in the game. So you are saying if SOE added little pink bunnies that talk you would believe it to be Star Wars?"
-Phinneus
100% correct.
Starcloud wrote:
As of episode 4, most people in the Star Wars universe, if they ever did think about Jedi, thought of them as following some crazy religion. Even before Episode 4, I'm sure there were many many sceptics.
After all, from the outside, you can't measure "the Force". You can't weigh it. It has no *visible* measurable effects. Nearly everything the Jedi do can be explained by some form of Star Wars technology.
Thus, from the outside, Jedi and Sith were both religions, and they were pretty much indistinguishable by normal people. Except that Jedi weren't as bloodthirsty as Sith, which isn't saying much after the Clone Wars.
However, since Lucas has said that there *is* such a thing as the Force in theStar Wars universe, neither Jedi nor Sithare religions. Rather, they are philosophies on how to deal with and relate to the Force.
In real life, if one were to follow the teachings of the Jedi (much of which was taken from Bhuddism), one would be following a religion, since the existence of the Force in real life is just as unquantifiable and unprovable as the existence of God (by any name)or any other deity or deities of your choice.
throwing out the expanded universe, and the virtual expanded universe, saying only cannon matters is just as nonsensical as items poofing into existance. common sense also dictates that there are millions of untold stories, some of which involve Jedi in this time period.
Jimmies_SF wrote:
They didn't understand it because its more than a title or an order.
I'm gonna have to agree with the other guy who said, whats the point. If you're crusading to get people to become jedi, then do it outside the starport. If you don't want hear people say there are too many jedi.... well you don't even have to hear it... just don't read the topics that are titled as such.
You're just not getting the cannon argument either. At least from a sensible viewpoint. Common sense states that someone made the blasters just like luke made his saber. Luke making his saber was a part of the story, thus was emphasized, who cares who made the blaster, it shoots.
Did your house just poof into existance (like the one you're in right now looking at the computer which poofed into existance)? Or does common sense state that someone built it?
Laws in a courtroom are interpreted by a sensible mans interpretation, are you being sensible here?
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 07-29-2005 07:11 PM
Message Edited by Quiet420 on 07-29-2005 07:20 PM
Bottom line, we all have midi-chlorians in our blood, everyone of us have enough to be master. Its a jedi utopia in game. If only the emporer would have had his storm troopers do the village for ranged accuracy maybe things would have been different.
I trust the EU about as far as I can throw it, and it ain't no 32 meters. I like the Han Solo trilogy from back in the day, but when Tim Zhan (man is that his name or is that an actor) started that post return of the jedi bit, I bagged out. It didn't feel starwarsy in the least. I'm not sure if he opened the floodgate but I don't remember seeing all these "interpretations" out before that.
I don't know how old you are or how long ago you saw starwars before you started in on these outside jobs, but I for one was an eager 8 year old who couldn't wait for "Return of the Jedi" to hit VHS because my parents didn't take me to movies. I learned that wickets name was wicket because of the toys.
Anyway, as I've said, if you want this to be some great big jedi orgyworld where we're all blessed with the little worms in our blood that make us glow with the force (oh wait, those are badges), well you already have your wish. And from where I stand, no offence intended, your view of the galaxy - star wars wise- sucks.
Phinneus wrote:
Quiet420 wrote:
Jimmies_SF wrote:
And we don't see millions of rank and file soldiers, we see like 100 a day (not counting other players), and 10 or so jedi. Or maybe I shouldn't say we. Maybe I should say, I don't see... maybe I'm a jedi magnet.... or maybe.... maybe they're in my head.
how many npc's have you seen in your entire time playing the game? what, 100 a day, 500, 1000? times how many days? and how much longer will you play?
I've killed tens of thousands of rank and file imperials, and untold hundreds ofthousands of other npc's.
Hmm according to the EU there were only a handful of Jedi left during this time. I know I would not consider 100 a day, 500, 1000 Jedi only a handful.
-Phinneus
In a galaxy where corusant alone has like 10 trillion registarted inhabitants(it's in the trillions according to EU) those numbers are so small a spec of dust would laugh at them for being so tiny if it could see them.
Point being that if casual observation in game reveals 10 jedi per 100 others then 10 trillion would be 1 trillion jedi on that planet. I'm sure that some of you master debaters will correct me.