Bounty Hunter Archive

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Compton wrote:

Today, actually just minutes ago, I followed my mark to him guild's town on Dant. I watched as his friends dueled each other, and I even got up to within 1m of him. I watched the duels, cheered his buddies, even asked him questions about the guild and if they were recruiting. I watched him heal his friends and wait for the duel to end. About 10-15 mins in all. After his buddies had dueled across town with us in tow, I waited for him to duel one, which he did. After a while he was finally incapped, and I was there to administer the DB.

It goes without saying that I got all kinds of /tells tell me what sexual organ I was, and things of the nature. I laughed it off. Noob was directed at me by him and his friends countless times. I shrugged. The tells kept coming and then mom jokes came up. I even complemented him on his sense of humor.

Now I ask you this. Was I in the wrong? He felt like I had cheated him and that I shouldn't have been able to do that. So all I ask is that you choose one of the choices down below, although, care to elaborate if nessesary.

1. "You did the right thing! You strategized your attack and executed it perfectly without having to fire a shot! Nice work!"

2. "Eh, even with that oppurtunity I would have outright challenged him face to face and tried to beat him the honorable way."

3. "n00bX0rz! U r teh sux! r3spec n00b!"

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I have a bh and a jedi.

Your kill was honerable in my opinion.

If the jedi knew he was on the terms and stupid enough to duel in an area where a bh can target him, it's his fault.

When I duel my jedi for fun, we go to the top of our guild hall which has access rights to only those in the guild.

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Cyrrex wrote:

(Disclaimer: coming from a Jedi)

Nothing inherently wrong with what you did - neither according to the mechanics of the game, nor in your role as a BH. The mark was apparently engaging in stupid behaviour, and he opened himself up to attack.

On the other hand, consider the net result. The jedi and his buddies are mad as hell, and feel you are dishonorable. The Jedi lost xp. You got your mark and your payout, but unless you are a sociopath, you probably don't particularly enjoy the hate tells you received. You cozied up to your mark, trying to gain trust or some level of comfort, and then unloaded. You become more hated, and the Jedi and his friendsbecome more paranoid and hate bounty hunters even more than they probably did already.

This kind of situation is not good for you, the Jedi, his friends, or the whole community. The Jedi have a reason to hate you (BHs in general), as they see you using "dirty" tactics. You (the entire BH community) have a reason to hate the whining, public duelingJedi and all their hate tells. I am not blaming your actions, however...I could see myself doing the same thing. But if I was the Jedi in question, evenif I was being a tool, I would probably be pissed at you too. The problem is the punishment system for Jedi. The xp loss. The Jedi gets pissed at the lost xp, and he directs it at the immediate cause of the loss...you.

I know it has been beat like a rented mule, but the xp loss is what leads to all this hate. On both sides. XP loss is not going to curb the Jedi population, so no reason to even bring it up as an argument anymore. All it does is lead to hate. They should find another system of punishment that still hurts, but does not lead to this kind of stuff. There are other ways to do this. Most of you probably think XP loss is fantastic...or you probably think it should be even more severe. But I think you should consider how much less stressful this game would be if they found another alternative to xp loss. Instead of getting hate, you might get congratulated on a job well done.

Some of you probably do not realize how painful the xp loss can be. Granted, fora full template Jedi it means nothing (another good reason to find another system), but for anyone else it is significant. In reality, a half templated Jedi will earn about 900 - 1000 Jedi xp per kill for a mob a couple levels above them. Any other double elite will earn roughly 6000 weapons xp for the same mob. That is a rough conversion rate of 6 to 1. Now, you have to further consider that the half templated Jedi is MUCH weaker than the double elite...so the kill rate is slower too. Effectively, I estimate that the actual xp gain rate is about 10 to 1, maybe a little less. You can argue this, of course, but I do not think I am too far off.

Now you have to factor in the xp costs of advancing up the skill trees. A single tree in a regular combat prof takes 1.25 million weapons xp. A single tree for a Jedi prof requires 3 millionJedixp...that is 2.4 times the xp requirement. So if you will allow me to use my 10 to 1 xp gaining rate, that means it takes 24 times the effortin combat toadvance through a single tree. Oh, and I forgot...Jedi do not gain combat xp while they gain Jedi xp. That adds 33% to my number, since you now have a fourth tree to worry about to get to a mastery. That brings us up to 32 times the effort.

So to bring it into perspective for those of you who may not have known: If you kill a half templated Padawan (112 skill points), he will lose 224,000 xp (it is 2000 times the skill points invested that you lose). At 32 times the effort for Jedi xp, that is equivalent of losingaround 7 million ordinary weapons xp. Shoot, lets just say my numbers are way off, and it is only half that...3.5 million.

Imagine if you lost 3.5 million Rifle weapons xp. You would not be happy about it either. You mayeven vent your anger on the person who is directly responsible for your loss, and especially so if he/she used less than honorable tactics. That wouldn't mean you had a right to complain, but it would at least be understandable.

No, I did not mention the AFK Kashyyyk issue...I see it as a circular problem. Yes, that is a method for gaining the xp back and to do so in relative safety. But the only reason people do it is because of the xp loss.

I am not a disgruntled Jedi, I am only trying to present an observation (I have only lost xp once, and have never beento Kashyyyk). I can deal with it as it is. But honestly, I think both sides would be much better off if they got rid of xp loss and found a new system of punishment. Most of the hate would disappear, and the only haters left would be those who truely are jerks.

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Back when I was MSmuggler/TKM for almost a year, I had decided for then that jedi was not what I wanted, for I was well aware of the concept that to be jedi = PvP when you least expected it. And that was fine. Eventually, I came to the conclusion that it would be fun.

Jedi is not and should never be a PvE aspect of the game. Jedi is PvP when you least expect it (unless you're SF or Knight and beyond).

To be a jedi and to expect not to be attacked when you least expect it is to have gone through all that trouble with a preconcieved notion that is completely opposite of the definition of SWG Jedi.

To become a jedi needs to be a thought out decision to accept the consequences. Any jedi that thinks or does what you have described, has no business being a jedi.

P.S. *Note the recurring phrase "when you least expect it".

Message Edited by truewildman on 08-03-2005 11:17 AM

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Compton wrote:

Today, actually just minutes ago, I followed my mark to him guild's town on Dant. I watched as his friends dueled each other, and I even got up to within 1m of him. I watched the duels, cheered his buddies, even asked him questions about the guild and if they were recruiting. I watched him heal his friends and wait for the duel to end. About 10-15 mins in all. After his buddies had dueled across town with us in tow, I waited for him to duel one, which he did. After a while he was finally incapped, and I was there to administer the DB.

It goes without saying that I got all kinds of /tells tell me what sexual organ I was, and things of the nature. I laughed it off. Noob was directed at me by him and his friends countless times. I shrugged. The tells kept coming and then mom jokes came up. I even complemented him on his sense of humor.

Now I ask you this. Was I in the wrong? He felt like I had cheated him and that I shouldn't have been able to do that. So all I ask is that you choose one of the choices down below, although, care to elaborate if nessesary.

1. "You did the right thing! You strategized your attack and executed it perfectly without having to fire a shot! Nice work!"

2. "Eh, even with that oppurtunity I would have outright challenged him face to face and tried to beat him the honorable way."

3. "n00bX0rz! U r teh sux! r3spec n00b!"

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Heck no. These are the best kills ever. Saves decay on your armor and weapons as well.

Far as the name calling. Don't worry bout it. If the Jedi won, you would have gotten the same hate tells as well.

I woulda killed the incapped jedi to.. if he doesnt like it he shouldnt fight in public

Roguestar

I'd say option 1

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TaKylea wrote:
Nothing at all wrong with what you did. His own fault for trying to show off in public. Congrats !!

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QFE.

I'd be a fool to duel friends around people I don't know.

I'd have to go with #1. You got your mark, easily.

On the flip side though, I can't believe this is a mechanic. I've been MBH, but never took a mission on a PC. Do we show up as a red dot or yellow dot and then red after first attack. I liken this to being able to loot a corpse you didn't attack. It would be nice if you could not DB if you did no damage. Realistically though, if you are searching for an enemy you want to kill and find him unconcious, you don't wait for him to get up... unless you are sadistic fiend.