Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Don't hunt jedi it's a waste, let's just collect loot
joejccva
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:03 am
#27
Merc93 wrote:
Dude, what makes you think Bountry Hunters were ever meant to beat Jedi? that's the physcis of the universe in which we play. Bounty Hunters were never really meant to beat Jedi. they are designed as high-level cannon fodder for force slinging commandos, that's all. they will always be fodder for Jedi, always. This is becasue Jedi are always cast as the god-like super warrior of star wars. Dude, star wars is all about Jedi. remember, the movie was called Return of the Jedi , not return of the Bounty Hunter...what planet are you from anyway?
I respec'ed to BH just to hunt Jedi, and If I can't kill 'em, I will at the very least make life miserable for them 'cause I'm so sick of hearing lightsabers go off all around me. The real title of this game is Star Wars Galaxies: Bountry Hunter vs Jedi anyway, and we are the sterotypical villians Star wars is a morality play and that means bad guys always loose. Bouty Hunters in real life use a whole team of people to take down their targets. Again, this is the word of mouth marketing strategy implicit in the design of the game, but the only way you'll win is to group with tons of people it takes tons of time to recruit and organize and run away 'cause their fickle and don't follow orders. Maybe once in a while you'll get genuinely lucky and find a group that will follow yor lead, but they'll soon get tired of it and you're back to square one looking for a gourp again. SOE likes it that way 'cause you'll try again next month. You're just gonna have to be smarter than they are and follow them and wait for the right time to attack. Get 'em when they're tied up with something else, and don't stand still when you attack like eveyone else does.
Pretty soon, you'll switch over to Jedi yourself and the galaxy will populated exclusively by Jedi with nothing to do.
People just don't understand it. They run towards a jedi with sabers blazing and then wonder why they died. Think about it. Do you really think any decent star wars bounty hunter did this? No. A bounty hunter is an assassin. They use stealth and tactics involved to killing their mark. Even if it means waiting around the the best opportune time to strike. There are a few BH's in the game that can open up fire with guns blazing and beat a full template, but I don't know very many and those that can have been practicing and practicing until their fingers are bleeding to accomplish this. Personally not many of us have that kind of time. People you HAVE to have patience. Setup your surroundings, watch your mark move, watch how he heals, watch how he attacks and look for any weaknesses. EVERY jedi has a weakness. Find it, exploit it, and put him face down on the ground.
Of course from what I've read and seen, more than 50% of the jedi that we have now are old MBH's that couldn't kill them so they joined them. They got fed up with dying because they think that just because they have 8000 energy resist armor, an uber uber weapon, lots of food, spices, drinks and a good template that they automatically will win. They when they die repeatedly they get pissed. It's truely unbelievable. I myself am almost a MBH...currently BH 0444, MCarb, CM 3000 and I'm looking forward to hunting jedi using smart tactics. If I get to my mark and watch him and I realize that i won't have an advantage I will bug out, delete the mission and find someone else. I won't even give them the satisfaction of killing me. I will only attack when I have the advantage and nothing less. Period. I'm not even a MBH yet, but I've watched many friends that are in the game and they hunt their marks the smart way. I've seen experienced MBH's get ready to take down a mark but bugged out at the very last minute because they notice things from a distance and don't get a good "feel" from it so they leave and go hunt someone else.
SpunkyKuma
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:05 am
#28
I look at this new loot deal as both a good thing and bad thing:
Good: Killing a full temp Jedi - 225-226K, hunting an NPC mission - 31-35K, selling loot (crystals, SEAs, smuggler componments, etc.) - 500K-20M~ = money money money money, rich BH.
Bad: When devs see this teetering the economy, they'll eventually nerf the loots. Jedi will no longer have BH going after them all day and will get bored.
On a sidenote, there was ONE thing I hated about the old FRS, was the gank squad travelling together constantly, it was a disadvantage to the faction I was in as it was extremely difficult to assembl a group/squad to counter the other guys- that gank squad always found overts on my faction alone or in groups of 2-3 so it was always 15-20 vs 2-3... At least right now you have a choice to go SF and wait for 5 guys to come find you and kill you in 10 seconds.
Good: Killing a full temp Jedi - 225-226K, hunting an NPC mission - 31-35K, selling loot (crystals, SEAs, smuggler componments, etc.) - 500K-20M~ = money money money money, rich BH.
Bad: When devs see this teetering the economy, they'll eventually nerf the loots. Jedi will no longer have BH going after them all day and will get bored.
On a sidenote, there was ONE thing I hated about the old FRS, was the gank squad travelling together constantly, it was a disadvantage to the faction I was in as it was extremely difficult to assembl a group/squad to counter the other guys- that gank squad always found overts on my faction alone or in groups of 2-3 so it was always 15-20 vs 2-3... At least right now you have a choice to go SF and wait for 5 guys to come find you and kill you in 10 seconds.
Vicci A'Tivo - Elder "in your face" Bounty Hunter
warrenbassist
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:11 am
#29
Camelz wrote:
You do all realise that if the loot is any good at all we will never see a Jedi again as they will all be on their alts looting the NPCs.
/whisper ...pssssst there I told you I could post that without using the words "lewt horz"
Now all they need to do is improve other profs like this to really confuse the hell outta the Jedi doing this.
drfeelgood9
Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:40 am
#30
why do you guys cry so much in this game? you act like their is nothing but full template jedi in this game and no other type of jedis. you know this isnt true, there are way more jed without full templates that you are hitting. you are just crying about the one or two full templates that kick your butts when you go against them one on one. so play the odds, take more missions because the chances of hitting a newbie jedi is greater than a full one.
GreatWarrior
Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:32 am
#31
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Let the jedi die from boredom.
Thats exactly what I plan on doing. I think I've had a good run as a PvP bounty hunter, I'm very happy with my kill / death ratio but over time I was beginning to get sick of the profession. I love bounty hunter, I truely do and I'm not saying the profession is now boring or overworked, but its lost its luster.
My biggest gripe is the fact that Jedigrind their xp back farfaster then bounty hunters are able to subdue them. With the old terminals I'd watch a 40k Jedi go to a 120k jedi, killing them, going back to the terminals to find someone else and later seeing the same person as a 200k jedi only a day later. While I gained a few credits I have accomplished nothing from the mission, the Jedi still leveled higher at an insane speed. Besides allowing Jedi to respec low level skills for high level skills during the CUs introduction... I still feel that taking out clone xp loss andPvE xp losswas prehaps one of the worse decission made in the game. Without that loss as well as the lack of a real loss for those with finished templates thencombined with the way the revamp's respecwas continually exploited, there is no way for Bounty Hunters to perform their role of keeping the population in check. NPC missions are my last faith in the profession that I once deeply enjoyed. I hope they are worth it.
SpunkyKuma
Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:33 am
#32
"why do you guys cry so much in this game? you act like their is nothing but full template jedi in this game and no other type of jedis. you know this isnt true, there are way more jed without full templates that you are hitting. you are just crying about the one or two full templates that kick your butts when you go against them one on one. so play the odds, take more missions because the chances of hitting a newbie jedi is greater than a full one."
The fact that hunting full temps doesn't bother me, though I can't help which mission to take if I don't want a full template and I can't help that my last 7 missions has all been full temps- paddies are getting smarter with group vis. So far I lost to 1 full temp which was yesterday.
The fact that hunting full temps doesn't bother me, though I can't help which mission to take if I don't want a full template and I can't help that my last 7 missions has all been full temps- paddies are getting smarter with group vis. So far I lost to 1 full temp which was yesterday.
Jo-sef
Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:09 pm
#33
IT NOT UNBALANCED, YOUR JUST BAD. Jedi are so easy to kill, but its morons likes you who run up to jedi when they are fully fooded and ready. Here take a tip. Watch them. Don't run up and attack the first 5 mins you see them. Stalk them wait until they are vulnerable, Jedis go out and hunt and pvp and etc. Watch them kill a couple lairs so you know their force is down alot. BE SMART. Most Jedi duel people alot, wait till they have a quarter health left and one shot them. Of course your not going to win against jedi a 1 on 1 if hes prepared Unless your a MCM or theira respec Jedi. You were never meant to. In design They are meant to be1.5X more powerful then you and no matter how much you whine it won't change that. They kind of grinded alot longer than you did.But you have the power to attack him whenever you want. Use it.
Lode_Seepajeka
Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:16 pm
#34
1st of all, YOU DONT KNOW ME. So you dont know how I fight jedi. You sound ignorant to me because you have just painted me with the old "respec bh" brush and you are very much mistaken.
I am a master rifleman / bh and I use /cover and /concealshot to kill my jedi. To me it seems like the only way to kill them is to shoot them when they are on their knees. So before you go off your head giving it this an that about how to kill a jedi, please just understand that we are not all "respec bh" and we dont all like going toe to toe with jedi and being fooled for it. Whichever way you go about it, you ALWAYS get grief after you kill a jedi so it makes little difference to me how you kill one
IG-183930292
Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:29 pm
#35
as for me I am looking forward to this loot, the expense of hunting jedi was kinda getting to me fail a couple of jedi bounties and your armor starts looking a bit raggad and your purse is abit light, this will be a nice change. Plus the nice loot will be a change to getting just credits from jedi missions, and npcs don't send nasty tells so all in all I am seeing no negitves. Let the jedi get all uber if they want eventually the nerf bats will come out on them when the entire server is jedi knights wondering why they can't make master since no MBH are comming after them.
jball2k
Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:16 pm
#36
huttu wrote:
jball2k wrote:
CaixCatab wrote:
jball2k wrote:
But when (IF)the FRS comes back it'll be like it used to be when the old one was up.
Jedi gank squad going from town to town owning everyone.
S'like that already on my server. The chances of finding PvP that does not involve a jedi gank squad is so slim, everytime it happends I fight at a disadvantage from sheer shock of having a lone target actually trying to kill me with something else than a glowstick. 'course, last lad I ran into used a blaster and hit me with CM attacks, but he also used force infusion on himself, so I suppose it's doubtful whether that counts.
Oh well. At least loot farming in this manner appeals to me, in difference to camping the same spot over and over.
That's why I went to WoW
I was sick of it
Plus the loot system is fun (sometimes frustrating though), there is no "god" class and there's Battlefields!
10 vs 10 CTF and a 40 vs 40 Conquest (go aroundcapturing bases, destroying stuff, good stuff)
and the honor system there is for everyone!
then stop posting and go play wow
Who said I quit SWG?
Though I guess I pretty much have, all I use it for now is an expensive chat room 
Message Edited by jball2k on 08-01-2005 01:17 PM
TonieStark
Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:00 pm
#37
Please hunt NPCs so that therewill be more targets for me. It's threads like these that give BHs a bad name.
Message Edited by TonieStark on 08-01-2005 02:15 PM
mero909
Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:21 pm
#38
i would REALLY like to see something along the lines of the Jedi Village for BHs. Make the BH profession equal to that of the Jedi profession. Something needs to equal Jedi. Though I know this won't happen because they said they didn't want the game to turn into a BH verses Jedi game.
WoLpAcK
Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:25 pm
#39
TonieStark wrote:
Please hunt NPCs so that therewill be more targets for me. It's threads like these that give BHs a bad name.
Message Edited by TonieStark on 08-01-2005 02:15 PM
its threads like this that might prevent this game becoming kotor onlinenoob