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Thread: why did they nurf

bmill
Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:34 am
#14


Obviously not an A in grammer, either. "ya know?"


I would agree with your statements however. The current situation is certainly not what it was when I became a Bounty Hunter. I doubt seriously, that anything will change though. At least not anytime soon. Sony is looking at this from the "what's good for the community" standpoint. Sure, we are upset. Jedi were upset when they took away their healing stacks, and smugglers have been upset since they were never able to smuggle anything. Everyone gets upset to a degree. I would still say that Master Bounty Hunter is the MOST content intensive profession outside of Jedi though. We acutally get to hunt down bounties for a living. What is better than that!? Whether they are living people or digital AI, it makes little difference to me. I am happy for the hunt. With the introduction of publish 21, we are seeing another "bone" thrown to us. We now have our own exclusive loot. No other profession has specific missions and high level loot associated with them. Something to think about.


Sure most of us cannot take out a full templated Jedi 1 vs 1, and since you brought up the topic of the movies, I will exand on them. We should NOT BE ABLE to take out a full templated Jedi 1 vs 1. At no time in ANY of the movies OR books, comics, cartoons did a Bounty Hunter kill a Jedi 1 vs 1. Jedi SHOULD be stronger, and they are. However, I don't agree with Sony's choice of letting just anyone with enough time on their hands, grow a Jedi. "Grow your own Jedi! Just add xp" seems to be the "run of the mill" now.


PvP as we knew it was over with the combat upgrade. Now we see Jedi and Healers. No real fighting classes are coming to a head anymore. To truly compete in PvP we can either become combat medics with a few other assorted ranged skills, or we can become Jedi. "My thing" is PvP, and so I am upset about it, and I refuse to get any combat medic skills. I am very effective with what I have, and often do not need to enter into a 20 minute fight in hopes of draining a Jedi's force and mind down to nothing, and then kill them. That is a stalemate win. It's empty to me, and I want nothing of it.


As far as grouping together for missions, this was changed to avoid the "5 BH gang-bang" on an unsuspecting Jedi. It wasn't fair for the Jedi, and I will never say that it is. The system was designed for 1 vs 1 fighting, however it was poorly implemented. It allowe up to 5 Bounty Hunters to accept a mission on one person simultaneously. No Jedi then or now could compete with 5 elite Bounty Hunters. Hence the "Jedi Griefing" argument. The names on the terminals were taken away from us to remove repeat hunting of the same Jedi. However this has hurt the community more than they could know at the time, for reasons we are all aware of, and I don't need to get into here. I doubt that Sony will put the Jedi names back on the terminals, but they may add in a difficulty meter on them. Sometimes, I just want to hunt a 100k Jedi, for the thrill of hunting, and I want to win. Sometimes, I just want to kill something, and taking on a 225k Jedi is not something I want to get into. Other times, I want nothing more than to accept the challenge that a 225k jedi represents. But it's no more. Now, rather than blindly hunting an unknown entity across 3 planets and 1 hour of time without a name, background, or possible skill level, I've temporarily given up hunting Jedi. Coupled with the fact that the 50k reward will not pay for my expenses, which are high, per encounter.


I do agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with your statement about space. Jedi missions SHOULD DEFINATELY continue in space. This represent some very much needed content for everyone. Jump To Lightspeed is the b@stard child of Galaxies. It's been overlooked and basically forgotten with the push for more ground content. I would love nothing more than to finish grinding my 4333 pilot (usless skills, other than to help other pilots grind or to "look cool" when flying to Kashyyyk) to master in order topilot the KSE Firespray, Bounty Hunter ship of choice. In my Firespray, I would hunt Jedi across planets, to the spaceport, into space, and then track their jump into another system, set up ambushes in space by docking with asteriods and waiting for them to fly past.... the possibilites are endless with the Space Bounty Hunting idea.


Remember the scene from Episode II where Obi Wan is being chased by Jango and Boba Fett through the asteriod field? That would make an incredible Bounty Hunting experience for us!





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dnvegeta
Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:11 pm
#15

like he said with gaining faction points for killing them, but also they can get guards to make the whole experience. kinda like guild wars or something, just with a bounty on the poli. i know it made me mad tho getting that jedi in space which was a knight and i know i could have killed him up there with all my overcharges on, in my firesprayer, or any other ship i please
bmill
Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:11 pm
#16

I agree with you on the Jango 1 v 1 kill, and will concede the point to you.



Politician hunting would be great. Actually, I thinkhunting any player would be great. Imagine for instance that someone was out killing Jabba's thugs... currently there is no consequence for this. But say there was a bounty system in place such that for gaining negative faction points against the various "non military" (rebel/imperial) factions, one would aquire "visibility" of that faction. At -1000 Hutt faction, Jabba might only charge 25k to have you eliminated, but at -5000 he might be paying out 100k. This would work with ANY of the factions out there.... Hutts, Ewoks, Valarians, etc (list goes on)


I forsee gaining "visibility" for the following: 1. failing missions, 2. killing that faction's npcs, 3. gaining faction for a competing faction (if you kill a Hutt npc currently, you lose 50 (est) Hutt and gain 50 (est) Valarian) These are just some possibilites


This would create ALOT of work for the Bounty Hunters out there, and even cause some of them to become "the hunted".


I'm thinking this will be bashed with arguments of "what if someone doesn't want to pvp, what if they are a crafter, with no combat, who gains favor with Valarian, but loses it with Jabba. Wouldn't this result in a BH ccoming after them?" Yes, it would.... but, what if:


There would be a system in place similar to the current "on leave", "combatant", "special forces" system where players can choose what level they want to be involved with the system. I would imagine the3 different levels might look something like this:


"non-combatant" - no PvP action whatsover, same system as now

"combatant" - PvE BH's would come after the players randomly, but only at levels defined by their current CL, and how "negative" their standing is.

"elite" - full PvP system, where player BH's come after the players, but payouts differ depending on player's combat skill level, and how "negative" their standins is.


Under this system, I would also like to see a BH heirarchy in place similar to the FRS. Where BH's can attain "rank" in their community based off their win/loss percentages. This would also give the Bounty Hunters accountability for their errors. Nothing would be better than to have a BH killed by another BH for failing too many missions.


You say this is too much forced PVP? Look at Jedi and BH now.... it's all PvP and it's all we see. This would open so many more classes to the fun and thrill of hunting and being hunted, while still giving "non-combatant" players or anyone who wants to not particiapte the oppurtunity to forego the experience.




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dnvegeta
Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:16 pm
#17

true i like those idea's but if you go on term and get a highlvl jedi and your screwed tht shouldnt count? i do like the attacking people that befriend jabba or so forth, show them whos boss kinda thing ya know?
dnvegeta
Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:18 pm
#18

or a bh can be hired as a bounty guard for a person that wants to pay ya know, that would be very awesome, such as a jedi tht doesnt wanna die tht is same faction, hire a bh to protect u
bmill
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:11 am
#19

Nice quote! Can you explain your point of view? I cannot recall anytime where this occured. Am an AVID reader of the EU books, most of the comics, etc. I do recall stories of Boba Fett and a few other Bount Hunters killing padawans, but not any Jedi (which to us, would be the full template 225k ones)



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Jedi_Xan
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:16 am
#20






bmill wrote:

Nice quote! Can you explain your point of view? I cannot recall anytime where this occured. Am an AVID reader of the EU books, most of the comics, etc. I do recall stories of Boba Fett and a few other Bount Hunters killing padawans, but not any Jedi (which to us, would be the full template 225k ones)





Jango shot the one Knight from the arena balcony. It was 1v1, and the Jedi had his saber pulled. I would classify it 1v1.



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MilannaSati
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:24 am
#21






dnvegeta wrote:

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...or let you hunt player politicians as well.





Why exactly does this need to happen?




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Jedi_Xan
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:26 am
#22






MilannaSati wrote:





dnvegeta wrote:

-snip-

...or let you hunt player politicians as well.





Why exactly does this need to happen?





eeew, political assassinations. how devious.



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MilannaSati
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:27 am
#23






Jedi_Xan wrote:





MilannaSati wrote:





dnvegeta wrote:

-snip-

...or let you hunt player politicians as well.





Why exactly does this need to happen?





eeew, political assassinations. how devious.






I'm just curious to know how the politicians are so negatively affecting others' gameplay that they should be hunted. You know...like Jedi.


I can see the arguments now..."You should have known you'd have a target on your back when you signed up for Mayor."







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Jedi_Xan
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:39 am
#24






MilannaSati wrote:





Jedi_Xan wrote:





MilannaSati wrote:





dnvegeta wrote:

-snip-

...or let you hunt player politicians as well.





Why exactly does this need to happen?





eeew, political assassinations. how devious.






I'm just curious to know how the politicians are so negatively affecting others' gameplay that they should be hunted. You know...like Jedi.


I can see the arguments now..."You should have known you'd have a target on your back when you signed up for Mayor."









Target: Mayor of a Rebel/Imperial city.


Mission: Factionleadership wants a high profile political member of rebel/imperial city eliminated.


This is even more sensible than Jedi missions. That would rock.



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MilannaSati
Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:43 am
#25






Jedi_Xan wrote:



Target: Mayor of a Rebel/Imperial city.


Mission: Factionleadership wants a high profile political member of rebel/imperial city eliminated.


This is even more sensible than Jedi missions. That would rock.





Meh. Bring it.


Can't wait to watch this forum explode with posts of "oMg, I just roxxored that n00b mayor" and "763 Politicians solo'd, I pwn joo" posts.






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