Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Tanks, are we supposed to be PVP fodder for jedi?
Jedi_Xan wrote:
Pepto_kof wrote:
Dont fight fair fights then. wait till he is beat down from a krayt or ns elders.
DOnt think 1v1 you can walk up to his faceslap him with a white glove and expect to win. The advatage is to attack when the jedi is weakest, not when its a fair start.
But this is what happens when the new BH's just cant target the 120k and less jedi. they get full temps.
I think this is my problem. I don't like sucker punching people. My dad always raised me not to do anything that I wouldnt want done to me. I guess this is my downfall.
I used to feel this way, but really it's what we have to do. And it's just as satisfying to wait for the right moment and win as it is to have a long drawn out battle and win. I think this is the difference between BHing and regular PvP. Come to learn the dark side of the force... err, I mean, come to learn the dirty tricks of the BH.
Ragen_Nightstalker wrote:
Simple fact is that Bounty Hunters are much stronger than you have come to realize. Just because your a Master Bounty Hunter doesnt mean your gonna own all jedi you fight. Theres this one bounty hunter running around on Tempest that is extremly good, ive seen him kill many full template jedi. I think he is MBH/MCM/Carbine 0400. Ive been waiting and hoping that one day he will pay me a visit but still no luck.
But that is part of the problem. Most of the successful BHs now are MBH/MCM/x. One template is viable, which is something the CU was supposed to address, but clearly didn't. Not saying all other templates are SOL, but I'm still searching for a good strategy for MBH/MCarbs.
Banzai51 wrote:
But that is part of the problem. Most of the successful BHs now are MBH/MCM/x. One template is viable, which is something the CU was supposed to address, but clearly didn't. Not saying all other templates are SOL, but I'm still searching for a good strategy for MBH/MCarbs.
ElvisTheKing wrote:
Banzai51 wrote:
But that is part of the problem. Most of the successful BHs now are MBH/MCM/x. One template is viable, which is something the CU was supposed to address, but clearly didn't. Not saying all other templates are SOL, but I'm still searching for a good strategy for MBH/MCarbs.
QFEI had warned about this in several posts. Moving the Jedi hunting cert to master has caused this. Nerfing healing has caused this. Its a shame that this is happening, but there does not seem to be any way around it.The devs listen far too closely to the whines of the jedi. Then you read posts about a BH that took almost 2 hours to kill an AFK jedi. AFK! That's not 1.5 times more powerful, that's at least 10 times more powerful.Oh, and the FOTM on the jedi side is MDef/MLS/4xxxx healing. So what we will have are a bunch of MBH/MCM/single 4 something carb/pistol/rifle guys going after MDef/MLS/4xxx heling guys.What a shame. Guess I will hunt for that BH armor now. /meh
While your post has much truth and logic in it, you only tell half the story.
Why is MLS/Def the FotM for Jedi? The first day of CU i not a single person that i personally knew was MLS/Def other than myself. The same was true for maybe the first few days, to a week. The reason every young Jedi is jumping all over defender is because the previous BH FotM was MRM and that could destroy all but the defender in seconds.
BH FotM and Jedi FotMs are intrinsically linked. BH adapt to kill the Jedi they hunt and (unfortunately) Jedi adapt to what BH have.
Message Edited by BDragon on 08-03-2005 08:24 AM
i haven't tracked a jedi in months. in fact, i got rage of the wookiees - but never even been to kash.
i think it's horse crap that a profession defining skill (droid tracking) has been completely eliminated from an entire planet. i also think it's horse crap that MBH/MCM is pretty much a necessity to be a jedi killer.
i'm mbh/mpistoleer...the only CHANCE i have of defeating a jedi is to go CM4000 for the extra fast healing powers...i don't really know if i want to use up my remaining skill points on an ADDITIONAL combat profession just to have the chance of defeating a jedi. i'm still toying with the idea.
here's some suggestions for fixing things:
afk grinding should be banned.
kash should be fixed so droids work on it.
BH'ers should be able to "invite" other BH'ers to their missions - depending on the difficulty of the mark. the new system has taken the multiplayer completely out of the MMO.
boo SOE. thank you for bringing us Jedi Wars online.
Ya, 13 days to get glowy is kinda fast, but if you think about it...you can do the badges and theme parks in one weekend and then Tada.... glowy.
The village is the key to slowing progression, 3 weeks between quest cycles is a fair amount of time, and I am glad there changing the exchange rate of XP to FXP. I started the village and did one quest...grinded out some XP then decided I'd rather stay a MBH. Not just because I thought the village was rediculous, the quest was easy to do, but the completely rediculous grinding involved in making Jedi and the fact there already a ton of them to begin with.
I started to step to the side of Jedi, I was ticked off, beaten down by Jedi and the lack of being able to take them in a fair fight. But I took a look at my skills as a MBH and if you look closely you will see in the colum next to last on the right, it will say Dirty Tricks. Even with that, were hard pressed to take on a Jedi, a Full Temp one anyway...but I have seen it done. I have seen more BH fail then succeed....yet, I see them later doing it again.
I admit I am disapointed with the BH profession, and a bit discouraged.... but when I stepped back from the Jedi grind and asked myself why.....only 2 reasons came to mind. 1. They seem to be the strongest profession, and 2. everyone else seems to be going that route. I do like the idea of having a 2nd character to use on the same server...because I refuse to pay 30 bucks a month for that 2nd account. But in the long run I chose to stay with MBH.
Fodder for Jedi?.... I don't think so, there are hundreds of posts where other MBH's have taken down there mark. Sure, you win some and you loose some. It's more expensive for us to hunt them then anything else. I propose they do a couple of things for BH, not nerf Jedi any...no major game changes or anything of the likes. But a couple simple things:
1. Increase our payout. 226K is hardly enough to cover the cost. If I were a Jedi I'd be pissed off only being worth a measly 226K.... Your a Jedi for god's sake...you grinded it, I think you should be worth a minimum of1 Mil,for a full temp.
2. XP loss....dump it... it's not really doing jack anyway. Most Jedi aren't even effected by it anymore, those that are turn it into a small set-back at best.
3. Ok, this is a far stretch but.... fix the pearl drops, but....BUT.... give BH's a source of armor that yet difficult to get, can be usefull against Jedi. I have seen the stats on BH armor...it's retarded. Give the BH's a form of protection equal to that of the usefullness a Sabre is to a Jedi. As it is now, I know a few jedi who have LS's that are pathetic for Dmg. There are others who can tear thru armor faster than I can use a stim to heal. This needs to be equaled out some if anything.
4. Since there not going to fix Kashyyyk, or doesn't look like it anyway.... As suggested in another post...give us the name of our Mark from the Probot instead of the seeker. Doesn't effect the Terms in any way, and atleast we know who we are looking for on the freakin planet.
This only scratches a small part of the problems we have, and the idea's above are a mixed bag from both Jedi/BH profession that I think would help atleast a little.
The exploits are rediculous to say the least, but until SOE fixes it or changes it.....arguing back and forth about it, and who is doing what is getting us nowhere.
Aiight, what do you guys think about fixes 1-4 on my list... if they would do that much for us, in the meantime?
Jedi_Xan wrote:I don't get it. Have you seen the jedi boards lately. They laugh at us. Most of the jedi gloat that they can kill the BH in minutes, hell in some cases seconds. I have fought full templates and won after long drawn out duels, and I have had my ass handed to me in minutes. I don't know what to say anymore. I go through million credit armor like it was candy, and I am broke now. I can no longer make a profit and hunt the alpha class.Anyway, I am not really trying to complain, or whine. I just want to know if you have been watching the jedi. We are the butt of all their jokes now. The agg us on to come for them. They have nothing to fear, no one to threaten them. It is ridiculous what we have become. I know I can wait them out... and choose my timing, but the fact is, I can't make a profit anymore. It costs me more in equipment than it's worth. At least with the FRS, if we did take a Knight and higher out, we would make more than a measley 226k.Hell, my armor, foods, and weapons cost me 2 million a week.
If you feel you cant beat a jedi, Then why pick a fight with one? Its you who pick the fight! Not the jedi! More then that, jedi loose to BHs too, but it seems to me, BHs expect to win each time. Also, When it comes to gloating, I have seen lot of that at the BH forums too.
Money. Yes, being a BH is expensive. But so is Definitely jedi. i have spent like 50 million credits on my saber. That does not onclude the money I invested in a +21 Lightsaber Crafting suit, which btw I payed 26 million credit for. Since jedi dont have any armour I have invested MILLIONS on SEAs. Ranged Defence and Melee Defence is Important. Did I need to spend so much money to get myself shaped up? Nope. I could have beaten BHs anyway. But the chances for losses would increase. I hate to loose, so thats why I have invested quite a lot of money in my character. I eat food for 600k a week! My weaponsmith, AFK entertainer and Rifleman generates like 6 million credits a week, and all the money they make I put into my Jedi.
What am I saying? I expect to be hunted! So I take all precautions! I do everything I can to be prepared for BHers and other Jedi in PvP. So I win a lot against BHs. Unless they are clever bastards. And I have to say some are. I never whine when I loose, and some of the BHs I fought dont whine back when they loose. Most do tho.
Time to grow up ladies and gentlemen! Some are not up to be jedi. Some are not up to be BHs. Its a hard world, so if you cant handle it, swith to some of the other professions in SWG! jedi hunt are not everything this game have to offer!
Jedi_Xan wrote:
Pepto_kof wrote:
Dont fight fair fights then. wait till he is beat down from a krayt or ns elders.
DOnt think 1v1 you can walk up to his faceslap him with a white glove and expect to win. The advatage is to attack when the jedi is weakest, not when its a fair start.
But this is what happens when the new BH's just cant target the 120k and less jedi. they get full temps.
I think this is my problem. I don't like sucker punching people. My dad always raised me not to do anything that I wouldnt want done to me. I guess this is my downfall.
Jedi_Xan wrote:
I don't get it. Have you seen the jedi boards lately. They laugh at us. Most of the jedi gloat that they can kill the BH in minutes, hell in some cases seconds. I have fought full templates and won after long drawn out duels, and I have had my ass handed to me in minutes. I don't know what to say anymore. I go through million credit armor like it was candy, and I am broke now. I can no longer make a profit and hunt the alpha class.
Anyway, I am not really trying to complain, or whine. I just want to know if you have been watching the jedi. We are the butt of all their jokes now. The agg us on to come for them. They have nothing to fear, no one to threaten them. It is ridiculous what we have become. I know I can wait them out... and choose my timing, but the fact is, I can't make a profit anymore. It costs me more in equipment than it's worth. At least with the FRS, if we did take a Knight and higher out, we would make more than a measley 226k.
Hell, my armor, foods, and weapons cost me 2 million a week.
ROFL, so it's okay when bh's brag about there uber quick kills, but when a jedi does it IT'S AN OUTRAGE AND MUST BE FIXED. Talk about double standards.
ElvisTheKing wrote:
Banzai51 wrote:
But that is part of the problem. Most of the successful BHs now are MBH/MCM/x. One template is viable, which is something the CU was supposed to address, but clearly didn't. Not saying all other templates are SOL, but I'm still searching for a good strategy for MBH/MCarbs.
QFE
I had warned about this in several posts. Moving the Jedi hunting cert to master has caused this. Nerfing healing has caused this. Its a shame that this is happening, but there does not seem to be any way around it.
The devs listen far too closely to the whines of the jedi. Then you read posts about a BH that took almost 2 hours to kill an AFK jedi. AFK! That's not 1.5 times more powerful, that's at least 10 times more powerful.
Oh, and the FOTM on the jedi side is MDef/MLS/4xxxx healing. So what we will have are a bunch of MBH/MCM/single 4 something carb/pistol/rifle guys going after MDef/MLS/4xxx heling guys.
What a shame. Guess I will hunt for that BH armor now. /meh
Jedi_Xan wrote:
Pepto_kof wrote:
Dont fight fair fights then. wait till he is beat down from a krayt or ns elders.
DOnt think 1v1 you can walk up to his faceslap him with a white glove and expect to win. The advatage is to attack when the jedi is weakest, not when its a fair start.
But this is what happens when the new BH's just cant target the 120k and less jedi. they get full temps.
I think this is my problem. I don't like sucker punching people. My dad always raised me not to do anything that I wouldnt want done to me. I guess this is my downfall.
It is your problem, i've had bh's that caught me while i was cloak afk doing sh!t round the house or reading forums, i see them hanging round realize there's a bh(i'm usually by the DWB now so it's not hard to tell lol) get prepared with foods then decloakand all AND THEY ACTUALLY ATTACK.
I've got my real life moral standards too
, but when the sh!t hits the fan you do what's necessary. It's a game, they'll get over it and if they don't they need some outside help.
Greeleaf wrote:
i haven't tracked a jedi in months. in fact, i got rage of the wookiees - but never even been to kash.
i think it's horse crap that a profession defining skill (droid tracking) has been completely eliminated from an entire planet. i also think it's horse crap that MBH/MCM is pretty much a necessity to be a jedi killer.
i'm mbh/mpistoleer...the only CHANCE i have of defeating a jedi is to go CM4000 for the extra fast healing powers...i don't really know if i want to use up my remaining skill points on an ADDITIONAL combat profession just to have the chance of defeating a jedi. i'm still toying with the idea.
here's some suggestions for fixing things:
afk grinding should be banned. Say adios to the entertainers/dancers/musicians then, too.
kash should be fixed so droids work on it. Not gonna happen, stop whining, learn to hunt there, lots do.
BH'ers should be able to "invite" other BH'ers to their missions - depending on the difficulty of the mark. the new system has taken the multiplayer completely out of the MMO. I'm sorry, but it was never my impression that BHs should be able to group for marks. Do you believe BHs should be able to invite other BHs along on their NPC missions? Of course not (unless you do, which, well, golden rule and all)! So why should you want help on a PC mission? Oh, because a CL80 PC is way more powerful than a CL80 NPC, right? BH missions are solo affairs. The BH has a Multiplayer role, in groups, hunting creatures and destroying bases.
boo SOE. thank you for bringing us Jedi Wars online. I agree, way too many Jedi, but we will either adapt to it or leave, because it isn't going to change.