Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Cloak/Exploit questions? (Tanks will I get in trouble for this?)
And since the cloak is a mind trick, it doesn't work on droids. 
-Talen-
An exploit is using a bug ingame to gain an advantage.
The Developers made cloak so it is untargetable, and unattackable. Therefore you would have reason to believe that the devs feel a cloaked Jedi should not be able to be attacked.
This Makes it clear that Attacking a Jedi while cloaked is an exploit. Due to the fact that the droid can still target a player, and attack a player that is not supposed to be attacked.
Training Mobs is considered harrasment based on the community standards, so draging mobs to a Jedi to be used to launch an area attack would be harrasment, and an exploit.
My post is based on Fact from the SOE terms of service agreement, from the descriptions of the powers, and the changes the devs made to the power. It is also based on the Communtity standards set forth by SOE dealing with Harrasment or other players.
Just because you feel something is not an exploit does not mean that it is not one.
SOE has given us tools in the form of TOS/community standards, to be able to judge if something is or is not an exploit.
Clear this is since it is a bug in the game, that is not intended, and is being used to gain an advantage over another player.
We know that targeting a cloaked Jedi was a bug and fixed. Shooting area attack at a crowd near a Jedi I think should be considered legit, but one side might say you shouldn't be able to hit them like that.
My take (from a Jedi) is if it was a random chance of hitting the Jedi, that would end the argument and be fair, if anyone thinks it's unfair.
However, a Jedi DUMB enough to stand there cloaked while you do that is asking for it. Jedi shouldn't be AFK in open. I always /logo or go afk somewhere safe when nature calls.
IIA_Agent wrote:
An exploit is using a bug ingame to gain an advantage.
The Developers made cloak so it is untargetable, and unattackable. Therefore you would have reason to believe that the devs feel a cloaked Jedi should not be able to be attacked.
This Makes it clear that Attacking a Jedi while cloaked is an exploit. Due to the fact that the droid can still target a player, and attack a player that is not supposed to be attacked.
Training Mobs is considered harrasment based on the community standards, so draging mobs to a Jedi to be used to launch an area attack would be harrasment, and an exploit.
My post is based on Fact from the SOE terms of service agreement, from the descriptions of the powers, and the changes the devs made to the power. It is also based on the Communtity standards set forth by SOE dealing with Harrasment or other players.
Just because you feel something is not an exploit does not mean that it is not one.
SOE has given us tools in the form of TOS/community standards, to be able to judge if something is or is not an exploit.
Clear this is since it is a bug in the game, that is not intended, and is being used to gain an advantage over another player.
Actually, the devs said a cloaked Jedi should not be targetable. They did not say anything about not being attackable, however. The "not targetable" part automatically voids any single-target attacks since you are not supposed to see the Jedi. Area attacks on the other hand are just fired blindly into the general direction of a crowd of enemies and hit everything in the area - the one firing the shots does only aim at a general area. I would say area attacks on nearby mobs hurting the cloaked Jedi are fine.
Training is defined as drawing critters onto another player in order to have them attack said player. Just pulling some mobs next to a player is not training. Not an exploit either in my opinion.
Concerning the bomb droid I would only question how he was positioned next to a cloaked Jedi. Was it by "Follow Target"? Exploit since you dont know "Target" is there. Was it by just placing it on the ground where the seeker marked a waypoint, running away and detonating it on the waypoint? Fair game.
But the original poster asked if there were any official dev statements on those matters. There were no official statements so far.
Actairr wrote:
I just want to know if anything official was said by some one important (a dev or other SOE employee about whether the following are exploits or not:
A) Using bomb droids to get around cloak
or
B) Using an area attack on npc/mobs to get around cloak
Message Edited by Actairr on 07-30-2005 06:52 AM
As a VERY avid Cloaker, if you DARE to use those tactics on me....
....I'll tell you good fight, no matter who wins. Both are fine, IMO. The only thing that's close to an exploit is the bombdroid thing. But truthfully, even IF it's an exploit, it's an extremely minor one. I won't be complaining if someone tries that on me and I lose. 
Actually, using the /follow name is essentially the same thing that you are doing with the seeker. And since you were brought to the WP by another droid, you did know the general area that the target is at.
I do agree that med attacks on a target (/infect name) is against the spirit of the cloak. But utilizing droids sensors as a spoof breaker isn't.
And firing into a mob for the chance to hit a cloaked jedi isn't technically training. You are pulling the mob onto you, not pulling the mob to them. The intent is that you aren't trying to get the mob to attack, you are actually doing something to break the cloak so you can attack them.
I know that could be construed differently, but it obviously the dev's intent that AoE attacks damage Cloaked players after the target fix, so I seriously doubt that is an exploit. Of course, depending on the planet, it could be pretty dangerous to be firing all over the place just to an AoE hit. Heheh.
-Talen-
IIA_Agent wrote:
An exploit is using a bug ingame to gain an advantage.
The Developers made cloak so it is untargetable, and unattackable. Therefore you would have reason to believe that the devs feel a cloaked Jedi should not be able to be attacked.
This Makes it clear that Attacking a Jedi while cloaked is an exploit. Due to the fact that the droid can still target a player, and attack a player that is not supposed to be attacked.
Training Mobs is considered harrasment based on the community standards, so draging mobs to a Jedi to be used to launch an area attack would be harrasment, and an exploit.
My post is based on Fact from the SOE terms of service agreement, from the descriptions of the powers, and the changes the devs made to the power. It is also based on the Communtity standards set forth by SOE dealing with Harrasment or other players.
Just because you feel something is not an exploit does not mean that it is not one.
SOE has given us tools in the form of TOS/community standards, to be able to judge if something is or is not an exploit.
Clear this is since it is a bug in the game, that is not intended, and is being used to gain an advantage over another player.
I hate that Jedi are everywhere and the fact that several (I AM NOT SAYING ALL JEDI ARE LIKE THIS SO DONT EVEN BEGIN TO SAY I AM) are little kids who have no life, access to mommys credit cards and think that because they have a glowstick should make them invincible as much as anyone, however I have to agree with this person here.
lbfoofoo wrote:
If the jedi is whining cuz the bomb droid hurt him while he was cloaked then he is just a whiny baby who can't believe he's not invincible. Using bomb droids on cloaked jedi is perfectly legit. Not sure how you would use a mob against a cloaked jedi though
maRRsTu wrote:
neither of which are exploits, cloak is not suppose to be invinsability on. AOE hit everything in the area. you should not be able to /targ the person but your BH droid gives you the loacation so its fine.
GaZZacK wrote:
I don't think a bomb droid (one time use) can kill a decent level jedi in one hit...and since you can heal/activate defenses while cloaked, its not that big of a deal imo.
I don't use this on jedi that are at the computer, only on AFK cloaked jedi. I sent a PM to the jedi and BH correspondents and will post what they say here when I get answers. Honestly though unless a dev states that this IS indeed an exploit I will use it and there should be nothing bad that can be done to me for using it since no one has said that it is an exploit. Being able to target a cloaked jedi was a bug and it got fixed, I just think if this was a bug then it would have been fixed too. But who knows.