Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: Jedi Population Control
Yaanos
Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:47 pm
#14
I have to say that i agree with this, i think Jedi players should be hunted like foxes (excuse the term). The problem is the Jedi
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And always get thier own way. Like i heard another player say "All non-force sensitiveplayers are just 'content' for Jedi"
KarianElanoc
Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:53 pm
#15
Ok, well first I'd like to say this. You have the worst Ideas ive ever heard in my entire life. I hate jedis as much as the next guy but still, bh's with the stats of kryats! your a moron!
We dont need saber TEF's, but we DO need force TEF's. Any moron with a lightsaber can pretend hes a jedi, but only REAL jedis can use the force. And the only other problem is force run. jedis should not be able to force run while stunned, dizzyed, or blinded. If i cant burst run while in any of those states why should a jedi be able to run about 20 times faster than me. Also, jedis shouldnt be able to attack while force running, In the movies when jedis force run all there thoughts go into force running, (a trance like state)
...thats about all I wanted to add.
Kidnuka
Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:18 pm
#16
No need to call someone a moron even if u dont like their idea. Its enough to say u dont like their idea.
I do agree with ur idea about Jedi not Force running while stated and Force run should be just that - running only.
DarthVos
Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:56 pm
#17
Wipe them out..... all of them.
Though I know my dream that they just remove Jedi from the game all together will never come true (especially after WASTING the last 2 publishes on Jedi crap, and driving the game into the ground since last year with holo-grinding) they really DO need to bring back TEFs and think of further ways to keep the Jedi population small (no more than 20% of characters on a server maximum hard cap IMO) and even more important IN HIDING.
Being lied to is nothing new when it comes to SOE I suppose, but for years the premise of this game was: Jedi = Exteremly Rare, Extremely Difficult. We all know how that turned out.
Putting aside the fact that no one should even *be* Jedi in this timeframe in a Star Wars game (they really should have just went with SWG: Clone Wars) Jedi constantly running around with their Sabers out, robes on, jedi titles overhead...and using the force all within sight of large amount of people including IMPERIALs is just WRONG.
Permadeath won't sell seeing as Jedi players are the biggest whiners and crybabies in the game (though personally I say screw them, let them quit and bring the game back to when it was fun.. before holo-grinding caused over half of the population of players who DIDN't GIVE A RATS ASS about to quit when holo grinding killed the community) but there has got to be some tough love for the long term health of the game. I'm sure everyone has read the in depth posts about how much jedi have hurt, and will continue to hurt this game. If SOE wants SWG to have a future, they need to STOP catering to every whiners whim, make some tough decisions, and do something....before it's too late.
MikeMonger1
Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:41 pm
#18
KarianElanoc,
If creating ultra powerul npc's to help keep a certain type of over-powered character in check is the worst idea you've ever heard in your life, well....that's one pathetic life.
Cause if you knew how to READ, you would have seen where I said "AS TOUGH AS KRAYTS", not "with the stats of krayts". "As tough as" just means really, really hard to kill.
Another thing....you say anyone can run around with a lightsaber and pretend to be a jedi. It was my understanding that lightsaber's were untradable, which mean if you've got one, you're a jedi.
Unless, of course, you WERE a jedi and dropped it. And honestly, how many people do that?
Here's a thought....instead of rehashing ideas that EVERYONE else has already had, why don't you squeeze that tiny little brain of yours, and try to come up with a fresh, brand now one! You know....CONTRIBUTE. Contributing to the discussion doesn't mean name calling.
Unless you can't? You're not stu-stu-stupid, are you boy?
KarianElanoc
Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:00 pm
#19
When i was talking about the lightsaber, I was refering to the actuall fluff. not the game itself. and as tough as a kryat pretty much means it has the same ham/stats.
Whatajoke
Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:17 pm
#20
What point is there in making tuff npcs spawn on jedis? So they die, or not use their powers? If so, then where can they use them?
Let jedi's not be able to loot anything, other than jedi related stuff, and a decrease amount of credits. This will make their alts very viable, and they will need to play something else other than being a jedi all the time.
I think they will
end up making a server that differs from server to server pertaining to jedi. I hope so, because i am tired of the whining about too many jedi, and I worry that they will screw those of us working our butts off for the current system which took months of development, only to have it changed to somthing no jedi wants. Also,soe will have to PUSH back the COMBAT REVAMP again, so they can dry your tears and change the current jedi system AGAIN! Be mindful of the ramifications of what u ask for.
There's alot of dancers and pikeman in this game. More than I seen in the movies. Wookies too, the fact that there are lots of them, don't make the other professions species of no value. Hell,
wookies have best ham, and wear armor. See all the combat professions running around
as wookies? Nope.
Having 1 npc spawn on a jedi like a BH as tuff as a dragon is silly. I see no point in this uber npc spawn. WHat will it do? Make jedis unable to what? Use force in cities? So, whats the big deal? Kill the? How they going to get anywhere? Anyway, why have one uber npc? Why not a dozen less uber ones? Seems more like the movies. I never seen a jedi owned by one thing, hordes yes, other jedi yes. One BH? nope.
Let jedi's not be able to loot anything, other than jedi related stuff, and a decrease amount of credits. This will make their alts very viable, and they will need to play something else other than being a jedi all the time.
I think they will
end up making a server that differs from server to server pertaining to jedi. I hope so, because i am tired of the whining about too many jedi, and I worry that they will screw those of us working our butts off for the current system which took months of development, only to have it changed to somthing no jedi wants. Also,soe will have to PUSH back the COMBAT REVAMP again, so they can dry your tears and change the current jedi system AGAIN! Be mindful of the ramifications of what u ask for.
There's alot of dancers and pikeman in this game. More than I seen in the movies. Wookies too, the fact that there are lots of them, don't make the other professions species of no value. Hell,
wookies have best ham, and wear armor. See all the combat professions running around
as wookies? Nope.
Having 1 npc spawn on a jedi like a BH as tuff as a dragon is silly. I see no point in this uber npc spawn. WHat will it do? Make jedis unable to what? Use force in cities? So, whats the big deal? Kill the? How they going to get anywhere? Anyway, why have one uber npc? Why not a dozen less uber ones? Seems more like the movies. I never seen a jedi owned by one thing, hordes yes, other jedi yes. One BH? nope.
TashunkaSapa
Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:21 pm
#21
They had a plan to allow Player Bounty Hunters to serve as population control for Jedi, but then Jedi players whined about how "unfair" permadeath was, and then xp loss, and now it's gotten to the point where that sort feels that it"s "unfair" that any non-Jedi should stand a chance against them.
I'm not saying that all Jedi feel that way, just a vocal minority. I guess they are just carrying on the whiny tradition of Whine-akin Skywalker and his son Wormy. 
corrfleete
Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:34 am
#22
freak88 wrote:
"there are 2 kinds of players in this game, those that have done the insane grid for the jedi, and those that want everything giving to them."
actually, you're wrong...there's a third kind of player, myself as an example...this player doesn't give a **edit** about jedi, and hasn't since the game was announced as being set in this time period...this player toggled his force-sensitivity command today out of curiosityand was amused to find that he 'had an inner glow, and the force was with him.'....this player laughed at all the people in game and on the forums scrambling after the very carrot that he has and doesn't want, then this player shook his head ruefully as he saw the legions of players camping theme parks and poi locations in a shameless, and rather comical looking attempt to become uber before the next guy...
for the love of god, folks, there is more to this game than jedi, lol...
freak88
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:35 pm
#23
there are 2 kinds of players in this game, those that have done the insane grid for the jedi, and those that want everything giving to them. those that have jedi, and those that wan characters as powerful as jedi , without doing the grind. those that have worked for it, those that have not. those that have jedi and seeing them nerfed more and more every publish to satisfy the give me give me s,. looks like you all got your wish, jedi s everywhere, i have mastered 30 professions, what makes you a expert on anything in this game, having a pie hole under your nose? no, that doesnt qualify. this is ther truth now. you will get your jedi s, but because you are stupid rookie players, you will make basic padawan, with no skills, bh will, kill you -200k, u will try to grind , but bh will kill you again, , next thing you know -1mil, 3 mil, -5 mil, -10 mil, still no skills, enjoy, its what you asked for, and no, you will not make knight, you wont make 1 skill, you will always be in exp debt, never to advance, so enjoy. now that all knights are overt, they are being taken down left and right. never to advance also. jedi have been nerfed so bad, that i saw aseed , a fencer, takedown and kill, crazyduc, in a 1on 1 fight, -200k. lol, you stupid newbs will be killed off so fast it will be called the jedi bay of pigs. if you ever dreamed about making jedi, you need to go get another game, because you might make padawan here, but i give you 3 hrs before your first -200k death, understand this, jedi exp is different and abot 10 times harder, 200k jedi equals 2 mil regular, enjoy, i will watching you die, i have my 4044 lightsaber padawaan, you never will, im not kidding roflmao ,stiffler padawan ahazi, double blade wielder, you will never see it roflmao, enjoy, because you wont lol, soe suckers lol, crazyduc is a knight lol, fencer killed him lol, enjoy your -10 mil jedi lol
Mandrim
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:42 pm
#24
The true jedi population control is called impatience.... most people will quit Jedi once they realize how much xp they need to become good Jedi
playwphyre
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:13 am
#25
Soe has finally intiated a population control. Its here already and they are quietly making it even stronger. First, Sony made the CU which basically doesn't allow a jedi to xp solo. Or if they so solo, it takes about 2 mins just to get 1k xp.Which means it will take approximately forever to grind a full template jedi. Now since nothing has been done to group visibility, a jedi can earn xp at a reasonable rate in a group, but a BH comes along to take that xp right away. Now since you can't run into a house when being attacked, that BH WILL take away your xp. Grind in this manner is just about a losing battle. Since jedi are so weak, they have no chance of killing the BH.
Now we just need to wait for them to bring back the saber TEF. Then and only then, will only the DEVS be able to play their jedi chars.
Greddy
Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:45 am
#26
Its clear that there are too many jedi on servers these days, even mine, euro-infinity which probably has no where near as many. What's done is done and there was no system put in place to slow down the rate of jedi only speed it up.
I think what needs to be done now is not to stop the amount of people becoming jedi but really push at making it so to see a jedi would be rare. This would involve once again making the jedi become a secretive profession, but with a strong sense of a jedi community. This may be implemented in the new FRS, but i think it really needs to be pushed. exactly how this could happen im not to sure about which is why i posted to see if anyone had any ideas about what could be done so that once again Jedi could be a spectacle rather than just another player who waves a lightsabre.