Bounty Hunter Archive
Thread: BH vs. Jedi
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Unit_
Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:52 am
#1
First off let me say I like the Bounty Hunter Vs. Jedi content and hope it gets fixed soon.I hear alot about penalties for BHs if they fail and I think all of the suggestions are crazy. I do think there should be a penalty for failing any mission however. I was a bh before I became a holo-grinder and I wanted it back then too.
I have to give some credit to Wepps and other BHs for the root of this system but here is my idea:
Master Bounty Hunters can only get a Jedi Mission upon successfully completing 10 master level missions. And can keep pulling Jedi Missions until they fail any mission which will reset them to 0 of-course.
Please flame away. 
Jubakki
Tue May 18, 2004 2:00 pm
#2
I started playing SWG when it came out - like the first day or something I think. I played droid engineer. Knew no one in game and got bored with it and went back to EQ. After I retired from EQ I started playing SWG again since an old EQ buddy that retired when I did suggested it.
So this time around I figured I would go with a combat profession instead of a crafting one. So after looking at them all, BH seemed to be the most interesting to me - I liked the roleplay potential of it. And the thought that this was the only class that could potentially PK a jedi solo added to the alure...
Now I understood that BH is broken when I started it but I figured NP - I can do plenty of other things until they fix it. Now recently, I watched a master jedi take out 9 buffed BHs like they were butter. So let me get this straight - BH is broken to the point that even 9 of them at once cannot take out a jedi?
If that is the case, what is the anticipated fix to this? Scale up the BH? Sclae down the Jedi? Is the combat re-vamp supposed to address this? I know the terms are still broken but even if they were fixed it seems to me that they would still be useless since there is no way a BH could kill a jedi from what I have seen.
meeuki
Tue May 18, 2004 3:07 pm
#3
Jubakki wrote:I started playing SWG when it came out - like the first day or something I think. I played droid engineer. Knew no one in game and got bored with it and went back to EQ. After I retired from EQ I started playing SWG again since an old EQ buddy that retired when I did suggested it.So this time around I figured I would go with a combat profession instead of a crafting one. So after looking at them all, BH seemed to be the most interesting to me - I liked the roleplay potential of it. And the thought that this was the only class that could potentially PK a jedi solo added to the alure...Now I understood that BH is broken when I started it but I figured NP - I can do plenty of other things until they fix it. Now recently, I watched a master jedi take out 9 buffed BHs like they were butter. So let me get this straight - BH is broken to the point that even 9 of them at once cannot take out a jedi?If that is the case, what is the anticipated fix to this? Scale up the BH? Sclae down the Jedi? Is the combat re-vamp supposed to address this? I know the terms are still broken but even if they were fixed it seems to me that they would still be useless since there is no way a BH could kill a jedi from what I have seen.
the fix should be neither.
the fix should be rarity of jedi, especially jedi masters, by way of a means to control jedi advancement. so far that 'fix' hasn't come.
Jubakki
Tue May 18, 2004 6:26 pm
#4
Well with the number of Jedis coming out of the woodwork lately I dont think that will be a viable fix.
meeuki
Tue May 18, 2004 6:33 pm
#5
the answer to the "jedi problem" is to bring back permadeath or have a significantly stricter xp loss system. unfortunately keeping this game from becoming kotor is impossible otherwise and i honestly think the current vision is falling in line with that. they tried for a while to resist, but the bottom line is the people who pay the bills want kotor online.
Jounar
Wed May 19, 2004 2:20 am
#6
There are no Jedi master players seeing as how the master box id bugged. Jedi take about 200+ times longer to master that BH so they should be hard to kill. Perma death will never come back so just deal with it.
Master Bounty Hunter
Master Rifleman + Master Doctor
Jedi
Only in your deepest self is the truth of what you can be, and, without a doubt, that truth is terrible to bear.
Adeptus Astronomica
The Book of the Astronomican
RazaelDemron
Wed May 19, 2004 2:28 am
#7
Jounar wrote:
There are no Jedi master players seeing as how the master box id bugged. Jedi take about 200+ times longer to master that BH so they should be hard to kill. Perma death will never come back so just deal with it.
Master Bounty Hunter
Master Rifleman + Master Doctor
Jedi
Only in your deepest self is the truth of what you can be, and, without a doubt, that truth is terrible to bear.
Adeptus Astronomica
The Book of the Astronomican
If some form of control doesn't get put in place you'll have to deal with the fact that your commonplace Jedi will get nerfed to hell and back. In the end it doesn't matter how long it takes to Master, it will be Mastered often.
Message Edited by RazaelDemron on 05-19-2004 02:28 AM
Taerryn
Wed May 19, 2004 2:45 am
#8
meeuki wrote:
the answer to the "jedi problem" is to bring back permadeath or have a significantly stricter xp loss system. unfortunately keeping this game from becoming kotor is impossible otherwise and i honestly think the current vision is falling in line with that. they tried for a while to resist, but the bottom line is the people who pay the bills want kotor online.
There are a lot of Jedi characters in the game now, but how many do you actually see in game? Yeah, you'll see them if you go to the areas they hunt, but how often do they go to Theed or Coronet and show off? How often do they participate in a raid? How often are they in front of the starport asking for a "friendly duel"? I see MANY TKAs, fencers, smugglers, combat medics, and even BHs doing all these things every day, but no Jedi.
destroyr
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:24 am
#9
To all BHs,
I have read a lot of comments that MBH should be equal to a Jedi...now I am a Bounty Hunter and I totally disagree with this notion. A jedi has the force, BH's only have weapons and if I am correct Janga and Boba got their butts kicked by Mace and Luke. Lightsaber block is fine. The only reason jedi died in Episode 2 is because there were thousands on droids shooting at only 70 jedi. They sure blocked a lot of laser fire, but getting shot at by that much will cause life to end. What I think should be fixed is melee vs range...no karate expert should be dodging bullets and then come up and smack you in the face...Also in the movies I never saw a jedi bounty before...Han was hunted...Padme but no jedi...now maybe in the expanded universe there were jedi bounties and if there was then please let me know...but i think we should quit complaining about jedi...most jedi should be fighting other jedi anyway...remember no melee should be totally kicking our butts, if anything it should at least be equal...the only difference is we should get paid.
Snuffleuphagus
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:30 am
#10
Then explain obi wan getting tossed all over the place? Its because mace was a stronger jedi and of course bh will have troubles with them. But we should be able to take weaker jedis and maybe even some semi strong jedis. If you can understand what i mean at all...
Eyerchris
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:36 am
#11
The way I see it and the movies portrayed this aspect as well. A master Bounty Hunter should be a challange vs. a Jedi Knight. And utter death to a padawan. Not something to laugh at and keep hunting because you regenerate faster than shots land.
Jango vs Obi Wan - While conditions for this fight were a little askew it shows that Jango was able to go toe to toe with a Jedi using dirty tricks *cough new line for Bounty hunter cough*. Obi Wan wasn't a master like Windu and was having a very difficult time stopping Jango.
I don't think a Bounty Hunter should be able to go toe to toe with a Jedi Guardian/Sentinal and up but is it so much to ask that we be able to take on Jedi Knights with a mid to high chance of victory depending on conditions. Masters should be gods on a battle field not the knights
FelixDarque1
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:38 am
#12
Then explain obi wan getting tossed all over the place?
Don't forget that whole 'ship shooting at Obi-Wan' part.
EdieBauer
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:41 am
#13
Jango killed a Jedi on the balcony. Then jumped down and got owned by Mace. So if you follow that what does it mean? A Master BH should be able to take (not easily but beat nonetheless) Jedi less then high ranking Knights. Mace was one of the three best Jedi in all the land (Yoda, Adu? and Mace) so I can see why he was able to whoop Jango. I think that is right. I think that in SWG the highest ranking Jedi should be able to kill MBH fairly easier... 2 or 3 even with the right tactics, but once there are 4 or 5 then the MBH should have the advantage. I don't think that is the way it is now (have done any testing). As for the weaker Jedi, MBH should be able to defeat them with the right tactics, 1 v 1 (it should be more even). And Padawans, MBH should win the majority of the time. The force is strong, but someone who has spent their entire life mastering a fighting profession and using the best technology should have some advantages. Scatter pistol is a prime example, three shots at once... only a master should be able to block all 3. And the geo pistol (not BH, but many have it) should not be blockable, it is an enery ring (based on the movie). Rocket launcer, flamethrower, etc blockable? You decide.
Add a stiffer penalty for DB (not clone) and balance to the above and I think everyone would be happy. It would be a fair fight when it should be and not when it shouldn't be.
IMHO!
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