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cloak is a huge investment of skills, any jedi with cloak is much much weaker in pvp than most other jedi. The only advantage they have is being able to run.

Its a combat ability, why remove it?

Message Edited by Zelkan on 07-25-2005 01:38 AM

well if we go by your approach, then you shouldn't be able to use one of your abilities during a bh/jedi tef either, i vote for no healing for you.

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Rukahs wrote:

I'm a Lvl 74 Bh and Went after my mark , all was going good till his force runs out , so he cloaks mid battle and meditats right in front of me regens and his doc friend rebuffs him , then he uncloaks and we go at it again same thing he runs off cloaks and regens mid battle , and then does it a third time this battle lasted about 45 mins cause he was a wuss and would run off cloak and heal,

First Off BH TEF Should be no cloaking durning the fight , if they cant get in a house why be able to cloak

Second Off The Doc healing him causehis tef ran off cause he was cloaked so long

Yes I died cause i couldnt run off and hide , and yes lvl 74 vs 80 i should have died

What do you true bh think

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6 levels above you and you beat him to the point he was almost completely out of force and would have died. 6 levels above you and you basically creamed him. And yet that's not good enough.

Your job is to be tactical, to use your advantages and kill us.

Our job is to stay alive.

Sorry but my templates cannot stand up to some BH, 0 defender Mpowers is not supposed to be a strong 1 on 1 its a ranged support profession and cloak is our retreat button. Have i used it in a BH fight? Not yet but its always an option.

So jedi dabble in powers for cloak, fine thats their choice fo skillpoints. You have exactly the same options and i mean EXACTLY the same, i know a BH with cloak too and it seems he uses it well. Make your template fun for you and then worry about learning how to use it to do your job, at least you can regrind in a few days if you feel you need to.

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Eskie wrote:
This horse doesnt die

There are counters to keep people from cloaking. If you cannot keep a cloaker from cloaking, you pretty much lost the fight since you cannot attack anymore unless the Jedi chooses to drop cloak.
Stay within 20m of the Jedi or send a droid to follow the Jedi.

To beat a MDef / MLS you need great healing and / or great kiting along with some damage dealing to outlast his Force bar.

To beat a cloaker you dont need great healing and you dont need great kiting. You probably wont take a lot of damage since the Jedi is either lacking offense, healing or defense, and if you kite, he will cloak. Instead you need a lot of crowd control to be able to keep the Jedi close to you.

If your BH template is built to take down MDef / MLS Jedi templates you probably are lacking the necessary crowd control to keep a cloaker close to you. Bottom line is no BH template can beat all Jedi templates. Jedi have the option not to choose FotM templates and face fewer BHs that can kill them since BHs tend to counter FotM Jedi templates with their own FotM BH templates.

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Excellent points, but there are still Jedi whobrag (on these forums) about how they can walk around Coronet and Theed cloaked and never run out of force because of other abilities (channel, I think) that let them insta-recharge their force bars.

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Spookibus wrote:

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Eskie wrote:
This horse doesnt die

There are counters to keep people from cloaking. If you cannot keep a cloaker from cloaking, you pretty much lost the fight since you cannot attack anymore unless the Jedi chooses to drop cloak.
Stay within 20m of the Jedi or send a droid to follow the Jedi.

To beat a MDef / MLS you need great healing and / or great kiting along with some damage dealing to outlast his Force bar.

To beat a cloaker you dont need great healing and you dont need great kiting. You probably wont take a lot of damage since the Jedi is either lacking offense, healing or defense, and if you kite, he will cloak. Instead you need a lot of crowd control to be able to keep the Jedi close to you.

If your BH template is built to take down MDef / MLS Jedi templates you probably are lacking the necessary crowd control to keep a cloaker close to you. Bottom line is no BH template can beat all Jedi templates. Jedi have the option not to choose FotM templates and face fewer BHs that can kill them since BHs tend to counter FotM Jedi templates with their own FotM BH templates.

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Excellent points, but there are still Jedi whobrag (on these forums) about how they can walk around Coronet and Theed cloaked and never run out of force because of other abilities (channel, I think) that let them insta-recharge their force bars.

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You can't channel forever. Eventually your body is too weakened to channel anymore.

And honestly, I think they may be exaggerating. I landed cloaked in Bestine the other day. By the time I got from the spaceport to the city limits, I'd lost between one quarter and one half of my force bar(3575 max force currently). And that was without stopping to see who was around, I took the quickest way out that I avoiding as many people as I could.

Yes, cloak is nice. Yes it's allowed me to avoid BH confrontations. I've never tried it when combat has already started because I've been able to use it to avoid those confrontations.

it does all kinda baffle me somewhat. a Power or enhancer jedi can always run and aDefender jedi is close to impossible to beat in 1v1. an uber laser rifleon a M.BH/M.Rilfe VS M.def hits for only 600pts per shot - thats every 2 or 3 seconds with critical shot! with jedi healer 4xxx they heal for 1500 every 6 seconds? now what hope is there - they are almost unbeatable in any straight fight or they will run and will almost always get away? would i be wrong to hope that a full temp padi is 1.5 times as good as a full temp BH might mean a 1v1 fight is BH 2 Vs Jedi 3??

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Spookibus wrote:

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Eskie wrote:
This horse doesnt die

There are counters to keep people from cloaking. If you cannot keep a cloaker from cloaking, you pretty much lost the fight since you cannot attack anymore unless the Jedi chooses to drop cloak.
Stay within 20m of the Jedi or send a droid to follow the Jedi.

To beat a MDef / MLS you need great healing and / or great kiting along with some damage dealing to outlast his Force bar.

To beat a cloaker you dont need great healing and you dont need great kiting. You probably wont take a lot of damage since the Jedi is either lacking offense, healing or defense, and if you kite, he will cloak. Instead you need a lot of crowd control to be able to keep the Jedi close to you.

If your BH template is built to take down MDef / MLS Jedi templates you probably are lacking the necessary crowd control to keep a cloaker close to you. Bottom line is no BH template can beat all Jedi templates. Jedi have the option not to choose FotM templates and face fewer BHs that can kill them since BHs tend to counter FotM Jedi templates with their own FotM BH templates.

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Excellent points, but there are still Jedi who brag (on these forums) about how they can walk around Coronet and Theed cloaked and never run out of force because of other abilities (channel, I think) that let them insta-recharge their force bars.

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First of all, nobody here brought up anything about the duration anybody can stay cloaked. My point was to fight cloakers you cannot try to kite, you need to be able to survive within 20m of the Jedi which is not as bad as it sounds since the Jedi is missing some skills in offense or healing more than likely, and you need to be able to keep him within 20m of yourself with your crowd control abilities.

Comment on Force Channel: It takes about 300 off your max health and gives you about 500 Force for it, furthermore it costs about 30% mind / action. If somebody uses cloak in combination with channel in order to stay cloaked in populated areas he will have below 1k max health and drop out of cloak anyway because he is running low on Force.

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Puttley wrote:
it does all kinda baffle me somewhat. a Power or enhancer jedi can always run and aDefender jedi is close to impossible to beat in 1v1. an uber laser rifleon a M.BH/M.Rilfe VS M.def hits for only 600pts per shot - thats every 2 or 3 seconds with critical shot! with jedi healer 4xxx they heal for 1500 every 6 seconds? now what hope is there - they are almost unbeatable in any straight fight or they will run and will almost always get away? would i be wrong to hope that a full temp padi is 1.5 times as good as a full temp BH might mean a 1v1 fight is BH 2 Vs Jedi 3??

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Powers Jedi can't always run. Cloak flat won't work if a non-group member is within 20m.

Jedi healer can do 1500 every six seconds, true. But as low as medic 0020 can heal for 967 with just a +17 BE shirt. And that's every 5 seconds. A Medic 0400/CM 4000 is getting heals of 1413 every 5 seconds. I'll take 1400 every 5 seconds over 1500 every 6 every day, all day.

Plenty of full temp Jedi are getting solo'd every day. And yes, some of them are MDef.

Best thing I could see happening to cloak is make it a total escape tactic. What I mean by this is a Jedi can not regen force while cloaked. No natural regen, no channeling or meditation. Cloak should allow a Jedi to escape, not a means of stopping a fight so she/he can regen for round two. If a Jedi channels or meditates while cloaked it should drop cloak and have a timer before it can be reactivated. This would allow a Jedi to escape to a safe area to lose TEF and then regen. If a Jedi can not beat you and has to cloak to regen what is the point. When she/he comes back you will have regened all your pools as well, plus cleared some filling for more food. So it's just starting from scratch. If they were gonna lose the first time it probably wont change the second time.

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laodamas wrote:
Best thing I could see happening to cloak is make it a total escape tactic. What I mean by this is a Jedi can not regen force while cloaked. No natural regen, no channeling or meditation. Cloak should allow a Jedi to escape, not a means of stopping a fight so she/he can regen for round two. If a Jedi channels or meditates while cloaked it should drop cloak and have a timer before it can be reactivated. This would allow a Jedi to escape to a safe area to lose TEF and then regen. If a Jedi can not beat you and has to cloak to regen what is the point. When she/he comes back you will have regened all your pools as well, plus cleared some filling for more food. So it's just starting from scratch. If they were gonna lose the first time it probably wont change the second time.

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